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Accessing the SOAP web service from javascript Edit


Is there a way you can query the web service with all the parameters and the soap action (ex: getSong) listed in url format: For example: ?

The reason I ask is that I'm trying to access the web service using the activex object "Microsoft.XMLHTTP" and javascript.

Or are there other ways to access it using javascript?


Hi ThePike... there isn't a way to do that yet (which just means that you are the first to ask for it, it wouldn't be hard to do). Are you comfortable POSTing with AJAX or just with GETs? (generally it's stanadard to make requests use GET, but things where you are sending data (like updating lyrics) use POST).
I'm sure I can get this set up soon for you (how close is your site/page to being done?). If you have a link to what you're doing so that I can understand it better, that's always appreciated too :)
-Sean Colombo 20:00, 5 December 2006 (EST)
Ok I see. I'm working on a Windows Vista sidebar gadget that displays the current album cover (from amazon) for playing song in winamp and
I thought it would be a nice addition to be able to view lyrics too.
Unfortunately there's no project page or similar online.
So there would be only GET requests...
Actually I think I'll go in another direction. I'll create a COM object in C# that uses the web service and just call it from within the gadget.
Will searchSongs() be implemented soon?
Tried the getSong() method and it works fine but it misses many requests due to spelling since it requires an exact match.
Are there any search tips? For example certain characters that are to be left out or replaced?
Hi, there isn't a planned date for the searchSongs() method... there's always so much to do that I just wait till someone asks for it basically :)
So if you need it soon, I can get on it. Usually the getSong() can be made to get most music that actually is on the site (I can never find my instrumental techno on here, lol).
Anyway... the best ways to make sure you get the results you want from getSong() are to follow the naming conventions that mostly go like this:
  1. Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Word
  2. Bands that have "The" should start with "The" so search for "The Prodigy", not "Prodigy, The"
  3. Most of the time remove parenthesis and other extra dashes, etc. from the end of the title. So search for Akon:Smack That not Akon:Smack That (ft. Eminem - dirty version - DJ Clue remix ft. blahhh)
In addition... if you are using getSong() more, instead of working on searchSong() there are some improvements I could do to getSong() that will make more hits likely. Basically, there are a bunch of mispellings/diff capitalizations and abbreviations of bands; we have a ton of redirects on the site that take care of this, but they are only for the artist page... I could make the SOAP understand that if there is no page match, it should look for the artist name that is redirected to by the provided artist name and see if there is a song that matches that.
Ok, that might have been semi-greek, but basically... I can make getSong() better.
-Sean Colombo 16:16, 7 December 2006 (EST)
Ok thanks. Sounds good. A "smarter" getSong() method would be great!
Heya, just remembered that most of those tips (capitalization, etc.) are done by the SOAP itself already. I didn't do the parentheses-choppng yet, but I can do that if the successful-result rate is still low. I started logging the stats yesterday, and this morning I implemented that redirection-trick (therefore botching todays stats since I did it in the middle of the day). By the end of tomorrow, I should know if that really helped much or not.
-Sean Colombo 19:00, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Could you move/mirror this thread to LyricWiki talk:SOAP? I think this would be a better place for it and it might be interesting for others, too. E.g. if I'd read this thread, some of my comments on LyricWiki talk:SOAP would have been redundant.

-Ronson 15:09, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Copied over.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 15:36, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Send to a Friend Edit

Hi Sean, is there a Mediawiki extension available for the great "Send to a friend" link you have on top of each page here? I'd love to use this for my wiki. Thanks a lot. I have a few suggestions as well. Using this link, you can edit the main menu. In that way, you can have the "Arists, Albums, Songs" (maybe even sub-bullets are possible), right there on each page, instead of on only the main page. --JamesK 11:26, 18 December 2006 (EST)

Hi, I wrote the thing as an extension, but there were no parserhooks to output the button up in the title bar where it is... so I had to hack that part into monobook.php manually :( sorry. Leave me your email addr and I'll send the code over when I get a chance.
Later, -Sean Colombo 18:15, 19 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks a lot! I had to make my own extension for something and also had to put it my own hook in the MW code (which is the last thing we want to do but it had to be done). My email is ek79501 AT Looking forward to getting the code. This is really useful. Is there any tracking you have to find out how many times an article is emailed? I might be able to modify it to create a table of "most emailed" articles and if I do and you want it, I'll be glad to share it with you. Should be simple - create a table with the article's title and emailing counter and increment the counter each time and then create a special page for "Most emailed". --JamesK 11:09, 24 December 2006 (EST)
Hi Sean, I'd also like to talk to you about this. I'm having a few problems getting a confirmation e-mail delivered so that I can e-mail you from your user page... so can you ping me at johnq at wikia dot com ? Thanks. Johnq 15:29, 9 January 2007 (EST)
Pinged -Sean Colombo 20:09, 9 January 2007 (EST)
Sean, another small request. I had seen one of your admins (maybe it was you) explaining on MW's help pages on how to let Ampersand come through in Short URL's. Can your recommended method below be modified for having the wiki in a '/wiki' sub-directory? Thanks a lot:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^[^:]*\.(php|src|jpg|jpeg|png|gif|bmp|css|js|inc|phtml|pl|ico|html|shtml)$ - [L,NC]
RewriteRule ^index.php?title - [L]
RewriteRule ^(.*)\&(.*)$ $1\%26$2
RewriteRule ^(.+)$ /index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
I guess we might have to add '/wiki' someone in the above code. I have tried to but it gives server errors. Your help would be greatly appreciated.--JamesK 20:16, 25 December 2006 (EST)
Hi... I do have some logging code built in, but it just logs how much it gets used.. not the actual pages sent (although that would be easy to change). The code is on my other computer, so I'll send it when I get back to my appartment (Jan 5th/7th, somewhere in there).
As for the redirect, I don't have a wiki set up here to test it... but I was the one who wrote that code, and my best guess would be this:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^[^:]*\.(php|src|jpg|jpeg|png|gif|bmp|css|js|inc|phtml|pl|ico|html|shtml)$ - [L,NC]
RewriteRule ^wiki/index.php?title - [L]
RewriteRule ^(.*)\&(.*)$ $1\%26$2
RewriteRule ^(.+)$ /wiki/index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
In addition, I think the placement of that .htaccess file might have to be messed with... I would think that the file would go in the root directory, not your wiki directory (since your webserver would get the tinyurl passed to the root directory). I think that would be safe even if the rest of your site is in the root directory since the second line of the code makes sure to skip normal files (such as the .html or .php pages that would be in the root dir).
Good luck with that... hope it works!
-Sean Colombo 00:51, 27 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks a lot! It worked. I look forward to getting the "send" script. Here's my email again: ek79501 AT Happy new year. --JamesK 22:28, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Sent -Sean Colombo 20:09, 9 January 2007 (EST)

To make this easier for everyone to use the Send to a friend buttons in the future, I have made a page with info, installation instructions, and the code. Feel free to use it on your own wiki (or other site for that matter). Check it out here: LyricWiki:Send To A Friend. -Sean Colombo 17:51, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Thank you so much! --JamesK 11:13, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Re: Adminship Edit

Hi! Thanks for the offer, i'd love to be an admin on Lyricwiki. Just wanted you to know that i'll have finals in the next weeks and then i'll go on a trip until the end of February or so, so just don't be afraid if I just dissapear. Maybe we can just wait to make me an admin until March... I'm thinking about it and if I'm an admin i'll be here deleting pages and not studying. So, if it's ok for you I'll tell you when I'm back in March so you can make me Administrator if we still need some more, ¿OK? --Unaiaia (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Sounds good, the offer will still be waiting for you in March :) Good luck with finals & have fun on your trip!
-Sean Colombo 20:22, 10 January 2007 (EST)

As for me, if it'll mean that teknomunk doesn't have to work through all my requests for deletions, I'll be glad to do a little extra. :-] I'm not sure what all being an admin adds to the process, but I'm certainly willing to do my part. --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 21:42, 10 January 2007 (EST)

You've been admin-ed :) -Sean Colombo 22:05, 10 January 2007 (EST)


Mr. Colombo!

I thank you for your request at the IP-Site and want to get some information about being registered at this Wiki. I fortunately had a site at Wikipedia but I was taken away from it. I lost it in cause of some words, that I wrote, yes, I spoke some hard words about some people who were annoying me and it was a reason for me to say a quit to every Wiki at all.

The Changes that I made were in cause of your boxes, where you hope to start the people making changes and I liked it to do some changes in this Wiki. But I hope for your comprehension if I look sometimes at this sites and to give you some feedback or something else for information without signing in. My wounds from Wikipedia are right open and I don't want to get some more anytime at all. I hope you will understand...

Sorry my english is not as good as it should be if I would have learned more years ago...

Yours sincerely Ute Meyer-Henning Sorry I've forgotten to do this: -- 18:02, 11 January 2007 (EST)

Amarok Script Edit

Hi, I'm the developer of Amarok's script Wiki-Lyrics (formely Lyriki-Lyrics) and also an admin at Lyriki. Just wanted to let you know I've ported the script to LyricWiki, so now it can be used to upload songs, albums and covers to this site too. Let me know if you find anything unusual with the content it's submitting or if you have any suggestion. PS: I haven't uploaded the new version yet, but I'll do it in a couple of hours. --Attendant 18:58, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Thanks! I'll let you know if I see anything funny... but I doubt it, that script seems pretty solid. :) -Sean Colombo 23:26, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Server time Edit

Is it possible that the server time is wrong? Even neglecting any problems with the time zone shift, it's always wrong by a fraction of an hour (17 minutes?).

-Ronson 12:06, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Yep, it was quite wrong. I've fixed it now, thanks!
-Sean Colombo 17:42, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Naming conventionsEdit

From looking at the discussions on the LyricWiki_talk:SOAP page, I'm wondering if the instructions on the LyricWiki:Page_names page are correct. As long as I've been on, the instructions there have been the ones that the regulars seem to follow. If an adjustment needs to be made, I'm guessing sooner rather than later would be best. --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 14:40, 22 January 2007 (EST)

I think that Page names is correct. If you're referring to the all-caps of some names, then that was just a temporary insanity on my part. The standard of leaving all-capped names as such is still the same. Sorry for the confusion.
-Sean Colombo 18:22, 22 January 2007 (EST)
No problem! I just wanted to make sure that what is going on here works with your other LyricWiki-related projects. *Whew.* Glad to hear things are as they should be. --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 00:05, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Blocking Spammers Edit

How long do you block spammers, such as User_talk: Twice today, same page. --Kiefer 23:45, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Correction, three times. Two weeks?--Kiefer 23:59, 24 January 2007 (EST)
Went back a little farther, and it seems like it was four times in the past 24 hours. So, I'm going to go for two weeks. I'm guessing that the duration can be changed if this is too harsh/lenient. --Kiefer 00:07, 25 January 2007 (EST)
Two weeks sounds fine. That's plenty long enough for them to stop trying. If they come back then maybe a month next time, but hopefully they'll stop. Thanks!
-Sean Colombo 09:03, 25 January 2007 (EST)

(More) SOAP ProblemsEdit

Sean, there are some encoding problems with the SOAP interface. Another user brought up the problem over on LyricWiki_talk:SOAP#About_those_questionmarks... when working on integrating the site into an online music player. I did a little testing myself and found that there are encoding problems with all the parameters. This is probably why there where artists named ???? on Special:Soapfailures. I am not sure if there is a client side problem, but there is definitely a server side problem.

There are a few other problems:

When you get ready to debug this, would you mind letting me know in the IRC channel so that I can help?

- teknomunk (talk,E) 15:00, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Yeah, it's about time to fix that :-/ ... I'll download mIRC really quick & I'll be on in a minute.
-Sean Colombo 16:46, 3 February 2007 (EST)

unicode problemsEdit

Look at and please come online at IRC :)

-Jurp5 19:31, 4 February 2007 (AMS)

I'm on IRC now. I looked at that page but it seems mainly to be for places that aren't storing the values right, and the wiki does all of the storing (even from the SOAP) in UTF8 already.
-Sean Colombo 16:52, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Oh, I see what you mean now. Teknomunk linked me to Kaoma:Lambada... that wasn't the fault of the wiki software... back during the first run of UberBot last April, he didn't support utf8 on his end yet, so a ton of unicode characters were lost. I just had to change my Perl script, but that was luckily just a problem with the bot at that point, so anything contributed by users should work correctly.
-Sean Colombo 16:59, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Sorry, i was away at the time you were on irc(6 hours later than EST here)
But i want to know the new name of getlyrics script so i can release my music player daemon client with lyrics support
All the lyrics are cached so you dont have a high load :)
-Jurp5 01:52, 5 February 2007 (EST)
also look at Stealers Wheel:Stuck In The Middle With You
-Jurp5 02:10, 5 February 2007 (EST)
i am at irc right now, please come online :)
-Jurp5 12:41, 6 February 2007 (EST)
on my way -Sean Colombo 12:44, 6 February 2007 (EST)

look at this:
-Jurp5 01:08, 9 February 2007 (EST)

2007 GrammysEdit

I've completed my latest list: LyricWiki:Lists/2007/Grammy_Nominees! I thought a front page blurb about this weeks's Grammy Awards ceremony might be appropriate. I thought perhaps a little something underneath the iTunes list? Tell me what you think. I made a simple title picture at: [1] that could be used, as well. --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 03:19, 5 February 2007 (EST)

You can make an item in the Editors corner if you want, that'll show up on the front page.
By the way, I think that part is not very clearly visible right now, perhaps we can move it to a more eye-catching position? Last time a new message was posted it took me about a week to notice :) --Mischko <img src="/images/3/31/Talkicon.png" alt="Talk to me" /> <img src="/images/1/1e/EsperanzaIcon.png" alt="Esperanza Member" /> 09:17, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Yeah, I think Mischko is right, the editor's corner probably isn't visible enough. I've chucked a banner into the description bar. If you don't like it or think it should be moved, just go ahead and move it, I'm going to be away from my computer all day and night today. Thanks for making that image && list, people will love that! :)
-Sean Colombo 11:04, 5 February 2007 (EST)
I added my opinion in MediaWiki talk:Main Page/Description/en. Black seems too dark for me. I go for something more colorful, if you like it, you can choose the colors, i just added random numbers. --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 11:48, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Spam and Spam Filters Edit

We have been getting more and more spam recently, at about 3-4 posts per day. The kind I have seen recently is the very raunchy porn links. The simplest way to help with this is to implement a $wgSpamRegex filter. There is a good guide at The 'A Large Example' looks like a good place to start. I would suggest that a filter for [URL=.*] be added, as it is very common in the spam we get.

I and several of the other administrators would have already banned the spammer and have tried several times, but the spammer uses a different IP address every time as seen here. We would really appreciate any help that we can get with this.

- teknomunk (talk,E) 01:54, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks for letting me know... We already have wgSpamRegex implemented so this a pretty quick fix (assuming it worked). I added most of the A Large Example section and "URL=" into the filter. If you see any spam still getting through, let me know & I'll update the regex some more.
-Sean Colombo 11:24, 7 February 2007 (EST)
Looks like the filter is not quite good right; we still have quite a bit of spam getting through. The regex should include [Uu][Rr][Ll]=, not URL=, as we are getting url= as well. I tested this on my local installation and it blocks the most recent spam to our site.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 22:36, 12 February 2007 (EST)
Oh, good call. I've fixed it now. Thanks! -Sean Colombo 22:40, 12 February 2007 (EST)
Here are a few more phrases to block: '<[Aa] href=', 'display:none' and '[0-9]{15,}'. The first is obvious that it is a link. The second blocks invisible text. These two should have been caught by the 'A Large Example' regex, but it seems that it is still getting thru. The last one is a little more unusual. I am guessing that a MediaWiki spam bot places strings of numbers in an article and waits to see if they are removed. If they are, it gets flagged as a high traffic page and is spammed. This happened to User:Mischko/Sandbox.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 14:18, 14 February 2007 (EST)


Today I noticed a new user moved some songs that had a straight apostrophe in the page name to one that had a curved apostrophe. ([2]) Is this something that should be done, or will this complicate things? --Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 23:13, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Hmm, that's certainly not helping any and since those curved/slanted apostrophes are unicode, they open up potential errors especially for the SOAP since each client has to try to implement UTF8 on their own. :-/
I'm also not sure what the comments meant about being "typographically correcter". That just confuses me (granted it's pretty darn late "at night", but it seems like it wouldn't make sense anyway).
-Sean Colombo 07:32, 10 February 2007 (EST)
In typography for the written page it is preferred to use the curved apostrophes and quotation marks, not so much for the web page. I'll correct them later, I guess.--Kiefer 11:05, 10 February 2007 (EST)

Error With RSS Feed For Recent Changes Edit

I just looked up and noticed that my RSS feed for the site wasn't working. Turnes out that it is giving this error:

XML Parsing Error: junk after document element
Line Number 2, Column 1:<b>Fatal error</b>:  Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 3461120 bytes) in <b>/var/www/html/</b> on line <b>374</b><br />

Not sure what changed or if this is a problem wit the software, but I thought you would want to know.

- teknomunk (talk,E) 01:25, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Dangs. We had this problem [User_talk:Sean_Colombo/Archive/2006_September_14_-_2006_November_10#New_Server|before], so the memory was bumped up to 16Megs.... but that error doesn't make sense.. it's saying it ran out of 16Megs while trying to use 3Megs (that must be incremental). Hmm... now that the DB is on another server I guess I can bump that up to 20M, but that is a TON of memory... it's getting recent changes, not folding proteins :-/ MediaWiki seems to have a problem.
Anywho... if you just view the feed it works now. If you have the "limit=500" part in there I think it's just bound to fail because it didn't even work with 25Megs.  :-/ PSEUDO-FIXED!
Thanks for notifying me!
-Sean Colombo 01:44, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Ampersand in sidebar Edit

Hi Sean,

I have been searching to find out how you might place an ampersand in the Navigation menu on the left. We have a need to do that on a wiki we have set up and I noticed you have in the Sponsors box, "Handicap & Wheelchair Vans" -- Could you explain how you did that, if you know. Thanks very much. 16:32, 13 February 2007 (EST)Ray Kimsey

Hi Ray,
That sponsors box is not exactly the same as the nav-menu, but I think what you're looking for probably has to do with you needing to use a "&amp;" instead of just "&" because that is the HTML-code for an ampersand.
Hope that helps!
-Sean Colombo 16:37, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks Sean, not exactly the answer. The Navigation box seems be somewhat different. Right now A&T looks like &lt;A&amp;amp;T&gt;. I will keep working on it and let you know if I figure it out.

Song clips & licenses Edit

Sean, a question regarding song clips... the page Help:Contents/Uploading_Content/Sound_Clips mentions that only copyleft music should be uploaded. Here's my situation -- I run the official fansite for a band (Skillet) and have permission from the band to host clips of all their music on that site. Is LyricWiki (ie, you) okay linking to these clips. I do not personally own the copyright, and they are not copylefted, but they are legally hosted where they are. Additionally, what is the proper way to add a sound clip? The help page for formatting songs doesn't address how to reference a sound clip.


If you have permission, go for it :).
To reference a sound-clip, go to Upload Files to put it on the site, then if it is called "Example.mp3", the wiki code to put that in the page would be [[Media:Example.mp3]] (unless there is a template out there... but this would be a good start). I haven't added any sound clips, but that should work.
-Sean Colombo 23:06, 15 February 2007 (EST)

SOTD February 17, 2007Edit

Hi Sean Colombo! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Barenaked Ladies:Who Needs Sleep? has won Song of the Day for February 17, 2007!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 02:56, 17 February 2007 (EST)

Pedlr Integration With/Engulfment By Edit

I woke up this morning and was supprised to see LyricWiki sporting the pedlr beta image. It has got at least one user to leave, and I wonder how many won't be kind enough to let us know.

The new theme looks rather nice, but the banner at the top looks a little out of place for a wiki site. I realize that from the pedlr side of things, this looks like a sub-site and should look like the rest of the site. The problem I see is that the site (LyricWiki) looks commercial now, rather than a community project. I think that this is mostly a presentation problem.

From the look of things, I won't be putting much effort, if any, into my profile on pedlr; a single profile page is enough for me. So I will probably stay on this side of things. But I look forward to when there are more artists on pedlr. I don't know of any music sites that allow Linux users, so depending on the music, this would be where I get my digital music.

I won't just leave, I've put too much effort into this and see too much potential for LyricWiki for that. But other users will probably not be as tolerant of bad design as I will be. I realize that pedlr is at a beta level, so there is still time to tweak things.

On The Pedlr SideEdit

  • I think that the red 'Recently Added Tracks' draws a little too much attention to itself. It makes it very easy to find the first time you visit the site, and then distracts you every time after that.
  • The guy with the turn-tables on the main page looks excellent.
  • On the pages Terms Of Usage and Privacy Policy, the Email links look oversized.
  • Links are underlined while the links on LyricWiki are not.

On The LyricWiki SideEdit

  • Are you planning on removing the ads as soon as pedlr can completely support LyricWiki? If so, it would be good to make that clear that the current ads will be going away as soon as possible.
  • It should be very clear that LyricWiki is supported by pedlr and not part of pedlr. Links between the sites should be gratuidous. But having LyricWiki as part of pedlr would probably put us in even more risk of copyright infringment Cease and Dissist letters, litigation, etc. And that is the number one issue with new users: is this even legal?
  • I should have been brought this up a while ago, but I might as well do it now. Could you remove the border and background around the 'Sent to a friend' link.

I am not sure how this transition is going to happen. There have already been casualties. But we should try our best not to alienate the userbase that gives us our traffic.

And as a note, if I contridicted myself anywhere above, I just woke up, and wrote this rather quickly. Also, the layout on your talk page is going crazy.

- teknomunk (talk,E) 11:51, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Well, this didn't go well. I've taken down the new layout while I fix some issues it had (the talk page going crazy, etc... I think it's any time something has a width over a certain limit).
I think you're right that I have to make it more clear to people that Pedlr is helping, not hurting LyricWiki.
Thanks for your input, I'll come back to it again in a little bit...
-Sean Colombo 14:23, 22 February 2007 (EST)
I hope you don't think that I flipped :P And sorry to dump all the things above↑ on you all at once. I know you are putting a lot of work into getting pedlr lauched and I don't want to hinder it.
My main concern is that it was a little too much all at once. I bet that people would take it a lot better if when the pedlr link/banner/etc. shows up, the ads disappeared at the same time.
I still think that the theme looked rather good. Once layout issues are fixed, that should be back up. When you start trying to fix it, it may help to make a copy of the MediaWiki software and put it at a different URL, such as index2.php?..., so that the new layout/theme can be tested without modifying the existing one.
If there is anything that I can help with (coding, testing, layout, desing, etc.), please let me know. I may not be in a situation where I can help financially, but I can give my time. I want this site to survive and grow.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 14:41, 22 February 2007 (EST)
Some good points, teknomunk. (Especially in regards to the copyright questions.) I've already e-mailed Sean about a few things about the switch, but I'll share some here, too. Things looked pretty good using Opera with the new items. The only thing that didn't look so good was the Main Page, due to shrinking of columns and what-not, so I suggested an eventual redesign of the front page once the formatting problems in IE and Firefox were corrected. If that happens, I'd love to collaborate on it. You both are much better at the programming/code side of things, but I'm familiar with it and enjoy a good design challenge.
One thing that I haven't asked, Sean, is: What use are you going to make of LyricWiki within the pedlr area? Will it be a place to link to the lyrics of songs being sold? I know that you've kept certain things about pedlr in the dark because of the business side of things, but now that things are nearly ready for its official "Grand Opening" so to speak, can you perhaps share a bit more of the grand vision of the site? If not here, then by e-mail, perhaps? It might help us help you on the way towards that vision and help make our comments and suggestions more useful to you.
For instance, when I started out at LyricWiki, I had the checkout box at the top. Without having started at pedlr, that seemed a bit out of place. Knowing about pedlr, I know why it's there, but if someone links for the first time to LyricWiki, it'll seem a bit unusual. A little shopping cart after the pedlr sign-up link would probably be fine. Plus, there is the issue with log-in/log-out notices for both sites on the same page. That will cause problems, I'm sure. This might be part of the grand vision, however...I don't know.
I do truly hope that all this isn't getting you down. (Happy place! Happy place!) Transitions in anything are hard. Change sucks, but is necessary for improvement. Keep in mind that you have good people helping you and that's worth a bundle in an endeavor such as this. Anything I can do to help....
--Kiefer <img src="/images/5/58/KieferE.jpg" alt="Esperanza" /> <img src="/images/f/f9/KieferTalk.jpg" alt="Talk!" /> 16:06, 22 February 2007 (EST)
Thanks for the advice && support guys :)
I think the solution for merging the two without confusing/annoying people may be to make it so that the link to "lyrics" from pedlr will point to which will use the pedlrized skin, whereas will continue to use the same oldschool skin, probably with a link to Pedlr in the side-bar somewhere instead of some adspace. That doesn't bode well for LyricWiki sustaining itself since AdSense was only bringing in around 30 clicks a day (so that's probably the number of clicks that will go to pedlr).
If that doesn't work out, maybe I'll just make a link where people can either use the pedlr skin w/o ads (by default) or go back to the old skin w/some AdSense if they prefer it.
Thanks again,
-Sean Colombo 11:21, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Esperanza Newsletter Updated for February Edit

New Member

Everyone please give a hand to our newest member: Punching Kittens!


Sean gorter 04:37, 28 February 2007 (EST)

SOTD March 03, 2007Edit

Hi Sean Colombo! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Akrasia:Special has won Song of the Day for March 03, 2007!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 02:53, 3 March 2007 (EST)

SOTD March 08, 2007Edit

Hi Sean Colombo! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of James Taylor:Cat's In The Cradle has won Song of the Day for March 08, 2007!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 02:52, 8 March 2007 (EST)

TMBG Wiki News ItemEdit

TheThey Might Be Giants Wiki mentioned us because of the SOTD being Particle Man. I thanked the admin that put us in the News section and invited him to visit. (One of our visitors I guess mentioned us on the Main Page's talk page.) I thought you'd like to know....--Kiefer 09:15, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Update: the admin signed up as User:CapitalQ --Kiefer 09:44, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks! -Sean Colombo 16:44, 9 March 2007 (EST)

redirect? Edit

can you look at

-- Jurp5 10:36, 9 March 2007 (EST)

That confuses me immensely... the normal page doesn't appear to be a redirect, so I don't know why that would come out of the SOAP. I'll look into that whilst I doc the api. :)
Thanks for the link,
-Sean Colombo 16:44, 9 March 2007 (EST)
Hi. I figured out the problem... The correct capitalization redirects to the incorrect capitalization which messed up everything. Pages need to follow page name conventions for the SOAP to work right. (Oddly, I would have thought it would follow the redirect anyway... but whatever).
Thanks for pointing out that page,
-Sean Colombo 03:23, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

"#" Numbering Edit

Apparently, I used the "#" symbol on the Esperanza Members page and the numbering was all wrong. Can you fix this? ~~•Sean•gorter• 05:36, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Done -Sean Colombo 14:06, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Esperanza Newsletter Updated for March Edit

New Member

Everyone please give a hand to our newest member: Sarcasticswede!


Esperanza has declared that it will use LyricWiki:Esperanza/Stress Alerts/Alert as a template for users to be alert of users leaving LyricWiki.

Sean gorter 05:44, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Software version Edit

Hi. I don't know if it's possible to upgrade to a newer MediaWiki version, but if you could do it, I think it would be cool. I think the new version supports auto edit reasons (when none given) and uploading of .svg graphics (at least, I think that's in the MediaWiki software and not in extensions).

But, seeing as there are some "extensions" which are more like "in-tensions", I have no idea how easy it would be to do this (without a lot of work / breaking anything).

Just a thought.

--Mischko <img src="/images/3/31/Talkicon.png" alt="Talk to me" /> <img src="/images/1/1e/EsperanzaIcon.png" alt="Esperanza Member" /> 15:54, 17 January 2007 (EST)

The new version also shows the number of added/deleted characters in the Recent changes list. Makes it much easier to detect spam. --Mischko <img src="/images/3/31/Talkicon.png" alt="Talk to me" /> <img src="/images/1/1e/EsperanzaIcon.png" alt="Esperanza Member" /> 06:03, 27 January 2007 (EST)

It would be a decent amount of work to pull it off without disrupting the site for too long, but it might be worth it... have you heard anything about whether it runs faster/slower on the server? -Sean Colombo 16:41, 27 January 2007 (EST)

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