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I have been redirecting [[The Ramones]] to Ramones, as per merge requests. However, I've struck a problem while trying to unlink all the pages still linked to [[The Ramones]]. A couple of [[The Ramones]] songs have been locked because of Gracenote takedown, and it seems as though Gracenote has redirected some Ramones songs to the [[The Ramones]] versions, which is the wrong way around.

Is there anything that can be done about this, or are we just stuck with stuff like this? Eeepy 09:04, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Done As an admin, I can edit the protected pages. WLH is now blissfully empty, except for this talk page and a bunch of GN pages (nothing I can do about those, they're untouchable). — 6×9 (Talk) 12:53, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
Yay, thank you :) I'm hoping this will stop any of those pages appearing on the double redirect thingy. Eeepy 14:22, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Endless work for you, SixEdit

After I poked and nudged Sean often enough, he finally enabled Loops. Time to do away with lengthy code and limited parameter-numbers like for {{Additional Albums}}, isn't it? - Chris 01:28, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yay, a new toy to play around with! :-) It'll have to wait until next weekend though, because I'm too busy until then. I've already spent more time on LW this morning than I'm supposed to… but I guess you're familiar with that as well!6×9 (Talk) 09:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
*Crosses fingers* No? ;) - Chris 11:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC) Currently, my day often starts with LW and ends with LW. And all the way between: LW. Only exception: I am writing / phoning with my lovely girlfriend =)
Sorry about {{red}}, didn't know font-tag was deprecated. More work: Look at the AP ;) - Chris 00:29, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
No worries, it's still allowed with transitional XHTML (see doctype in the sourcecode). Even so, W3C's validator found 26 errors in our main page ;-) The idea is to separate content (HTML) from formatting (CSS). — 6×9 (Talk) 14:35, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Stairway To HeavenEdit

The lyrics now shown are actually inconsistent with 1) the lyric sheet, 2) the official Superhype Publishing sheet music, and, 3) with the way the song was actually recorded. If we put the lyric sheet above all else (which, thankfully, is contrary to LyricWiki guidelines), then the line "And if you listen very hard the tune will come to you at last" will have to be changed to one line, since that's how it is on the lyric sheet. But that would be a poor edit, since within the structure of the song as actually sung, it should be two lines. So we're setting aside the lyric sheet in that case (and rightly so) and, similarly, there are other lines where the lyric sheet also needs to be ignored: "Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven" is clearly sung as one line and is officially published as one line. That one's a no-brainer (as much as splitting "And if you listen very hard the tune will come to you at last"). The other one isn't as simple: as recorded, "don't be alarmed now", "but in the long run", "in case you don't know", and "and did you know" all occupy parallel positions, and the sheet music presents them all consistently. But the lyric sheet is completely inconsistent between the four -- each one is shown differently than the others (added to previous line, new line, dash, added to next line). Four different presentations of lines that are sung and published with a parallel structure. Since that's not how they're actually sung or published, I'd ignore the lyric sheet in this case too. But, overall, what we have now isn't consistent with the song as sung or with the published sheet music or even with the lyric sheet (which is the one I'd sacrifice, since it's not consistent with the other two). --TraLaLa 14:20, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I guess the real question is whether the lyrics were printed on the lyric sheet like that for a reason or just through carelessness. While the latter is entirely possible, if we assume the former as true, at least the two lines with "sometimes" assume a different meaning: "there's a songbird who sings sometimes" / "all of our thoughts are misgiven" as printed is quite different "there's a songbird who sings" / "sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven". In that case, Plant singing it as if the "sometimes" belonged to the second line could have two reasons: (1) the other way wouldn't have worked rhythmically/metrically not sure what the proper term is here – try cramming "there's … sometimes" into the same time/space "there's … sings" occupies without sounding silly – or (2) to allow the same sequence of words to have two different meanings. Now why does that last sentence sound kinda familiar…
If you want, we can move this discussion to the song's talk page (it's on my watchlist anyway), to get some other opinions. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:36, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

What is wrong with a redirected title on an album page?Edit

I have a question regarding a recent edit you made to Short Circuit: Live At The Electric Circus (1978). You changed (You Never See a Nipple in the) Daily Express to Daily Express (You Never See a Nipple in). The former is a link to a REDIRECT page where the latter is a link to the page that is REDIRECTed to. I am guessing that the reason that you did this was to avoid the "Redirected from ..." message at the top of the page when clicking the former.

I am the original editor of this page and an owner of this album. I named the tracks on the album page to match how they are presented on the release (see and Since some titles don't match the "canonical" titles of the (LW) songs, I resolved their links as redirects. I consider my original edit more accurate as it matches the release. These are the titles that you would see if you were looking at the real album or the LW album page. I consider the "Redirected from ..." messages a feature as it informs the reader that there is a difference between how this release titles a song and the better accepted (canonical) name.

Please tell me what your reasoning is and whether there is any LW guidance on this subject.

Thanks! -- Rossetyler 16:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

There is no official policy regarding links to redirects (yet), but there is a reason to avoid links to redirects. There are many "lost" pages that should appear in LonelyPages but don't, because they have a redirect linking to them. The now apparently shelved, but hopefully not forever plan was to change the definition of orphaned pages to include those lost pages; but first we'd need to resolve all links to redirects (at least in the main namespace), to avoid including pages that aren't really lost but linked to from a proper page via a redirect.
I've restored the previous display text for the two songs in question; I had changed it because I assumed the song pages had been moved to their correct names but the links had not been updated. I'm not sure someone who doesn't own the album would realise the redirect message means the title title on this particular release is different from the canonical name; I rather think most would reach the same (erroneous) conclusion as me. Maybe a note on the song page (like in this extreme case) would be less ambiguous? — 6×9 (Talk) 18:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
I know maintenance of orphaned pages can be a mess. I have had several painful experiences with cleaning up an artist's page only for it to be later inundated with adopted orphans from oblivion. I appreciate your guidance and will try to follow it in the future.
Certainly the redirect message cannot be definitively interpreted as I have suggested. I suppose that I have just become accustomed to interpreting it as such for pages that I have authored because that is how I authored them. An explicit note would be better but I don't think it is worth the clutter in this instance. -- Rossetyler 18:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
Not directly related but maybe useful for you: insert {
    color: #4C79FF !important;
into your stylesheet to highlight redirects on any page in a light blue (compared to usual links). - Chris 10:08, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
Done already (if you're talking to me), but I use text-decoration:overline instead because (1) your light blue looks almost like an external link and (2) overline is hideous, so I'm highly motivated to fix the links :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:22, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
text-decoration: line-through !important; is really hideous, and if you want to force yourself to fix them, use text-decoration: blink !important; Lol - Chris 15:09, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
I tried line-through first, but it got confusing on DoubleRedirects (because that's how the fixed pages are marked), and legibility suffered as well. Blinking is ignored by IE – just one more reason to use it instead of FF (or at least Iron, which doesn't blink either). — 6×9 (Talk) 15:23, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
I must be missing something. I tried creating a LW stylesheet but it does not work. After reading a bit, I tried doing the same thing on my wikia global stylesheet but this seems rather heavy-handed. -- Rossetyler 20:12, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
I figured out what the big red warning message was about when I edited my common.css - I needed to put my CSS directives where my Monaco skin would look for them (monaco.css). Things are working great now. Thanks for your help! -- Rossetyler 21:11, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
"Blinking is ignored by IE - just one more reason to use it instead of FF Lol, it's a bug, not a feature. To disable blinking in Firefox, I go to about:config and set "browser.blink_allowed" to "false" - done. Now try to enable it for IE :P - Chris 18:04, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
There's no reason for me to ever want to enable it. Nor is there any reason for any web designer to ever want to use it. Hence, it's a feature not a bug. If the FF developers had any sense they'd set the default to "false" and hide the setting deep inside multiple nested menus. I suspect the folks at W3C still list it only because they forgot about it, or because they thought no sensible browser would ever support it so it wouldn't matter anyway. So has the memory leak in FF been fixed yet? ;-)6×9 (Talk) 18:38, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
Which leak? :P - Chris 11:25, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


Black FlagEdit

Hi, could you please redirect Louie Louie to Louie, Louie? It's the one remaining song from the Other Pages category. I've already deleted it from the Black Flag page. Thanks! Eeepy 07:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure about the comma? According to Musicbrainz and Discogs the original single didn't have one; nor did the 1982 reissue of Damaged. Apparently it's only a few later compilations and live albums that added it. If you're worried about the last little lyric fragment, I think I can copy & paste that without breaking any laws ;-)6×9 (Talk) 07:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Worthy of gold status?Edit

Hi! I've been working on Billie The Vision & The Dancers lyrics and reading the Help:Page ranking/Songs. Now, before I start slapping gold stars around me I'd just like an admin to check a song or two so that everything looks fine. Could you please look at some songs from their first album and tell me if they look worthy of gold stars? -- Snago TC 10:34, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

One minor quibble: all Song Info templates have "audio" marked as "done", but only a couple songs have a goear parameter. I admit it's a bit confusing since "audio" sounds more general and should therefore be "done" with the download parameter filled in; there were some plans to change this (or at least rename "audio" to "goear" in Song Info as well) but somehow it never happened.
Other than that, the pages are good to go Gold. Congrats! :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:50, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Hehe, that was my train of thought exactly about the audio/goear/download. I had 50/50 of getting it right :P
Thanks! :) -- Snago TC 10:56, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Please don't do thisEdit

I am speaking of deleting pages because of some "error". I created a page about a certain "upcoming album" and you deleted it because "upcoming album" wasn't capitalized. I recognize that, regularly, pages should be capitalized, but the album's title hasn't been released yet! We don't want anyone thinking that "Upcoming Album" is the real title, stupid though they would have to be. That's beside the point--you should just move the page to the right title, if you're certain it should go there. Somebody actually spent some time creating that page. Or if you think it should be deleted, say so. --Lucius Voltaic 00:27, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

And where would I have moved it, if the title is not yet known? There's little point in creating/having a page for an album when the only thing you can put there is a (very) provisional tracklist (which, BTW, didn't comply with LW:PN either). Why not just wait until at least the title is known? — 6×9 (Talk) 04:47, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Murray Head:One Night In Bangkok redirectEdit

Edit conflict, I was just going to do the redirect. I find that leaving the previous page the redirect was from as the web address confusing. [1] But it works out the same even though the wrong link is copied and it looks wrong. -- GabrielVelasquez 17:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

[2] This is the spliced version, you can hear the drop off in music when the real song starts. All other versions on Youtube don't have that verse. That is why I deleted it. Please don't put it back, I was really annoyed at the addition of that spliced version since the "lyrics" gimmick is for advertising attention. -- GabrielVelasquez 17:23, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

By the way the lyrics in the spliced version video are wrong.

  • Chessboards, not Chess boys.
  • Raging, not Rating.

GabrielVelasquez 17:31, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Adding genresEdit

Well, it looks like you'd be be the one to ask this. I asked it on the Genre - Category talk page three weeks ago, but got no answer. How do we add a genre that isn't here? Musdan77 22:51, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

To add an album or artist to a genre, you can use the |Genre= parameter in {{Album}} or the {{Genres}} template. If the genre category doesn't exist yet, you can create it like any other wiki page – follow the red link, put something in the edit box and save it :-) To make sure it shows up in Category:Genre at the correct place, you need to put [[Category:Genre|<<genre-name>>]] on the new category page. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:24, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
But be careful when creating a new Genre, sometimes we just spell it a bit different. F. e., it seems weird we do not have Category:Genre/Hip-Hop, but it's only because it's named Category:Genre/Hip Hop here. Use Special:Categories to look up if we've got similar named categories you should use. - Chris 19:07, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! Musdan77 22:24, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


Hi 6, thanks for your assistance.

I've been forced to change pages in the User-namespace, too, in order to fix at least a few more pages from Special:Linkstoredirects. But yet this list is filled with Gracenote pages only by now, unfortunately... I really would've loved it to completely omit the User namespace, and my script did it at the beginning; but after a time there were only 970 Gracenotes and 30 User pages, so I un-excluded them to get 30 new entries. I'll talk to Sean today to convince him of either filtering the Gracenote pages out or making the list longer than 1000 entries (maybe 10000 then).

Chris 13:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

@Chris: why are you limiting yourself by S:LtR, when api may give you unlimited list of all redirs on any page/pagelist? --Senvaikis (talk) 16:02, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe because I don't know where the function of LtR is located inside the API? Grin Please tell me how to get a list with pages containing links to redirects, I can't figure out how to do that via API but maybe you rather answer on my talkpage). Thanks anyway! - Chris 16:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Too simple to start a new thread - just look at the sample, it should be self-explanatory for you :). --Senvaikis (talk) 18:05, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, this is closer to LtR than I ever got with the API. But your example is for one specific page, how do I know which pages I do have to check? I'd need a list of "pages containing redirects". Always keep in mind that my scripts, contrary to programs like Lwt, need screen-scraping, or at least cannot run a command like "for all pages do ..." - Chris 01:46, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
You say I must always keep that in mind? Ok, let's move to your talk page then :) --Senvaikis (talk) 06:57, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
...for my scripts, yes Wink. But I guess you are right (as usual) and I should finally start/go on with the developing of my cyborg. - Chris 13:45, August 24, 2010 (UTC) (See continuance...)

Some HelpEdit

Hi, your page says that you understand Deutch. I would be very happy if you could add lyrics for the second rap verse for this song: Rockin Da North:Naiset. Kingnee - Youtube Music video on YouTube Prybar

I tried it myself and nearly got everything except for one part and one name where he signs up. Maybe you can understand it/know what it is, 6. The YT-Video was blocked for me, but I found another video here. Lol, everywhere it's just "Yorin solo" but not what he says, and the video says "I couldn't find it and won't transscribe it myself" Lol - Chris 17:28, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hi and thank you very much! Most of Yor123:s lyrics are mystery for all Fin's. Yea, I could ask if my sister would know those parts of that song, she studies Deutch. There's still many songs from Rockin Da North that have several languages. I'll try to add all Finnish lyrics for them if possible. If you ever have time, I'd be very glad, if you can add more Deutch or English verses for Rockin Da North songs. And if you ever need Finnish song lyrics, you can ask me :). Prybar 21:28, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you can always ask me to transscribe the lyrics. Just ask me on my talkpage. And one note: it's Deutsch with "s" Wink.
If you need Finnish work, see accented characters. Many songs are broken because the ä wasn't imported correctly. Unfortunately there's the possiblity of å, too, hence the questionmarks cannot be replaced by bot; this is why we need some quick hands/fingers there Smile
Thanks, Chris 01:37, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing FinalEdit

Hiya there. I can see you've edited the article on the band Nothing Final. But I can't seem to find any info on them. There's a myspace page with 5 friends and three songs. Yet they're listed as having 166 songs. Can you please explain this? I'm utterly confused but I have fallen in love with their lyrics. --Tulus 11:20, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't help you there. I created the page because it showed up near the top of Special:WantedPages (not surprising with 166 song pages linking to it), but other than the myspace page I couldn't find any info either. The song pages were created by ÜberBot, who occasionally searches other lyric sites for ones we don't have yet. Sorry! — 6×9 (Talk) 17:32, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
PS. They have a page as well, but there's absolutely nothing there, only a few unrelated videos that happen to have the word "Final" somewhere…

Sophie Ellis-BextorEdit

Hi, I'm not sure what exactly I should do with Sophie Ellis Bextor now and what WLH means. :) Where do I write the explanation as to why I believe the artist's page should be moved? Banhurt 14:15, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with the redirect – but redirecting the artist page doesn't solve the problem of all the unhyphened song pages that need to be redirected or moved as well. Hence the {{move}} template and the hint to look at What Links Here :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 14:18, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
I see. What do I do now? Redirect all the unhyphened songs to their hyphened equivalents? Banhurt 14:42, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Either that, or just leave it if you don't want to or have something better to do. The move template ensures that someone will get 'round to it eventually. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:25, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for help. There should be a Wikia badge for redirecting 50 pages. :) Unfortunately, there are two Gracenote Sophies and the unhyphened one can't be edited. Banhurt 18:31, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Biała Pięść - Removed song listEdit

Hello, why you removed song list from Biała Pięść? I can't find anything on LyricWiki:Page Names that would make Biała Pięść:Monopol Na Przemoc page name wrong. LYRIC-Exe 15:01, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I reverted your previous edit because, while adding song links (several of which were not in accordance with our page naming policy, by the way), you removed both ArtistHeader and -Footer templates. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:46, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


Template changesEdit

Hello Six,

I'm currently starting a template-change offensive. Please have a look at my roadmap of aimed changes. Sean has given the green light to possibly make all those changes now. Some (marked red) are unavoidable in the long run, but they will be very useful, too.

About the {{Song}}-Template: I'm planning to completely rewrite it, meaning that I'll overhaul all the code: LWPN-template, loops extension for fa, albumname parameter as substitution for sf.album. It'll make something like such code possible to work without redirects. What do you think? My plan is to create a new template "SongLWC", which will have full backward compability but enhanced features, and it'll be tested on a fake artist (called "Big the Boss") to test everything. Are you in?

Chris 17:57, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have the time to get too involved in any major re-writes, and that's probably not going to change in the near future… I'll try to look into it as much as I can though!
Two points I noted in your roadmap: (1) Changing ArtistHeader to Artist – I had thought at one point whether it wouldn't be preferable to change Song and Album to *Header instead, to avoid having template names that are also magic words. (When ArtistFooter was still Artist there were some pages with just {{Artist}} at the bottom, which wasn't interpreted as template but as magic word. Who knows, there might still be several of these…) (2) Renaming Covered to Additional Covers: additional to what? As the Covered template is used instead of, not in addition to Cover2. I'd suggest rolling both into 1 template and switching display according to number of params.
Also worth considering: moving any categorisation from Song to SongFooter (currently only the star, I think) via parameters. This way we should be able to catch song pages with just the Song template. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:07, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Hey 6, no worries, I didn't exactly mean you'd have to help me, but I did not find the idea of "doing it all alone without any feedback at all" too comforting, you know... And I exactly got what I wanted. About (1): true, true, I was lead too much by Additional Albums. Merging Cover2 and Covered into one template "Covered" to get the logical analogy of "This is a {{Cover}}" vs. "This song was {{Covered}}" is a great idea. "Loops" will ease that task immensely. Moving Song to SongHeader and Album to AlbumHeader has another advantage: People will not replace {{Song| with the song's name accidentially anymore.
I'll expand my Template-To-Do-List. There are still some changes that could be done in our SongFooter: sprites and a new design like this have been discussed (maybe not that many social bookmark icons, only Twitter, Digg, Google Buzz, Yahoo Buzz, StumbleUpon, Tweetmeme, Reddit and delicious). What about these changes? Give them a try or save that for later? - Chris 19:28, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Abney Park - From Dreams Or Angels.jpgEdit

You just deleted this "unused file". Well, it was *not* unused, as you would have seen if you had looked at the "The following pages link to that file." Now the album page and the artist page are both missing the album art for that album! I could go back to the awful-quality image that was there before, but that just raises the question--why didn't you delete that one instead? I could re-upload the better-quality (though still within regulations) image, but would you just delete again, no matter that pages link to it? This really frustrates me. --Lucius Voltaic 14:17, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lucius, please consider this as accidental deletion, I don't think 6 had deleted it if it was displayed as being a used file. Maybe the file was uploaded and before its inclusion was display in the database, 6 fetched the list of unused files. As I see, you re-upped the pic. I only wonder what you mean by "awful-quality image", could you provide a link, please? I'd rather delete that one if its quality is really that awful. - Chris 15:57, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it was accidental – I didn't look closely enough and mistook a redirect for a duplicate. Sorry about that. Anyway, I restored the deleted file but didn't have time to reply as well at the time. Quality is fine; artist and album page display a resized 180x180 version anyway. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:57, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! --Lucius Voltaic 17:46, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


Markus Florin:Dich Hat Der Teufel GeschicktEdit

Hi 6x9!

Markus Florin:Dich Hat Der Teufel Geschickt

I think it's better to insert the lyrics, than to delete the page. ;-)

--Ignor-the-ant 13:39, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, sarcasm! That's original!Edit

Hey, I'm sorry for not knowing the capitalization rules by heart. But just because someone--who is not, you know, getting money or recognition for this--creates a page with some incorrect formatting does not give you the right to insult them. I'm trying to help the wiki here, and I would love to receive advice from someone more experienced, but I do not need you bringing me down. --Lucius Voltaic 06:10, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

If you're referring to this comment, that was not about capitalisation rules but about uploading album art without using the {{albumcover}} template, despite detailed instructions on the upload page with a large red header telling you not to ignore them. So I think I'm entitled to a little sarcasm now and then.
As for money and recognition, you're getting the exact same amount as any editor, admin or not, here. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:22, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
Alright, I suppose. Note, though, that in general I do put in the correct templates for such things, as in various Abney Park album covers. Also--and please don't read any disrespect into this--what is the fLetter field for? --Lucius Voltaic 06:33, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
It's used to categorise artists/albums/songs by their first letter, see Artists A, Albums B or Songs Z for example. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:37, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
That's what I thought--but who alphabetizes by "A" and "The"? That seems like a bad system to me. I mean, "A" not so much with bands, but people will look for "Beatles" under "B". I understand that kind of thing is fixed by dropping the "The" on artist names...but isn't that kind of a weird workaround? --Lucius Voltaic 06:40, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
By simply taking the complete name, we save a lot of time for everyone. The system cannot recognize these words when "preselecting" the fLetter. We could "teach" (program) it to do so, but what about all the other languages, Los, Les, ... in Spanish, or (of course the worst Lol) in German: der, die, das, dem, den, des, ... There are so many articles and some might argument it belongs to the name and the others don't. So we say "just take it exactly as it is" and everything is clear and fine Smile.
And whoever looks for "Beatles", and then goes into a category instead of simply typing Beatles behind the URL in the addressbar (will be redirected to the correct page) is a bit crazy anyway Wink. - Chris 10:32, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Towards Thee Infinite BeatEdit

Why did you delete the page, are more songs needed to link to it? ---My other life is spent. 01:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, sorry to be a bother....---My other life is spent. 01:26, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Two different qsEdit

Hi 6, could you please take a look at Adam Kay and Carl Orff - can't understand why seemingly the same af.amg changes have had different results. Tia, ---Senvaikis (talk) 17:12, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Might be because you edited A.K. right before I fixed {{allmusic}} to allow q and C.O. right after that. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:44, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
That explains it, - thanks. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:16, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Union (2)Edit

Why did you supposedly delete this page? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blocpartymania (talkcontribs), 10:06, 24 October 2010.

I moved the content to Union (UK) as that's more consistent with the names for other disambiguated artist pages. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Edit historiesEdit


I can't find where to access a page's edit history on the site's new look (which I dislike, by the way). Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks! --Lucius Voltaic 00:53, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Took me a while to find it as well… Right below the page title on the left is a small infobox which says "Edited by …"; if you hover your mouse over it you get a dropdown menu with a "View full history" link.
In your preferences you can switch back to the previous (Monaco) skin, but that option won't be available after November 3 (see here). Or you could try Monobook – I'm using it (and I hope Wikia won't remove it as well), but then I'm rather old-fashioned :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 07:08, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll look for that. What's Monobook? --Lucius Voltaic 14:02, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
It's one of the skins available to registered users, like the old Monaco or the new look. There should be a preview option on the skin tab of your preferences page. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:44, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
The new skin ("Oasis") is a lot easier to use than Monaco or Monobook ever have been, once you found everything. If you miss the edit history, you can find it by (1) the old Shortcut (Alt+Shift+H), by (2) the dropdown mentioned and (3) in the toolbar at the bottom (where you can put any other Specialpage as well). I'll soon release some "hacks" for Oasis, too (provided you use Firefox and GreaseMonkey add-on). One is already out: LyricWiki Purge (German version). I'll make some tools like "Move page to LW:PN conform titles", etc.
And @ 6: although I know you do not like new skins, give it a chance. And do you have time to help me to adapt the CSS classes in MediaWiki:Wikia.css file, or do I have to do it all alone? - Chris 18:13, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Problem is, I've got a number of Real Life things that need to get done soon-ish, and once I start LW-ing it's hard to stop (I'm sure you know the feeling). I can help out with some smaller things, but I won't be able to do any major redecorating, sorry. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:44, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

WLH, API & transclusionEdit

Hi, 6

I need your help. Can't force api to return the full (WLH-like) list of backlinks. Api response, as you can see, corresponds to WLH with hidden transclusions.
Any ideas? --Senvaikis (talk) 21:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
You'll need &list=embeddedin instead of backlinks (and changing "bl" in other params to "ei"): full list. Never knew the API had a help function until now :-)
Took me a while to figure out why some pages still show with transclusions hidden, until I noticed that {{Film Rank}} shows a link or not, depending on colour… — 6×9 (Talk) 22:12, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
Quote by 6 times 9:
Never knew the API had a help function until now :-)
Wait what? Shocked You have to be kidding. That is what the page api.php displays per default if no action is given! Never saw that? - Chris 18:17, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
@C: You need to be A Wizard to overlook a docs link, lying on the very surface, but find a right solution at once after click on that link ;).
@6: Well Done!, thanks :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 09:15, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

How do I create a Genre page?Edit

Is there a template or something? --Lucius Voltaic 02:24, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

There is {{Genrebox}}, but it's not mandatory and is only used on a couple of pages. At the very least the category needs to be added to its parent cat. by adding [[Category:Genre|genre-name here]]. See Category:Genre/Jazz for an example. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:37, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Artist Pages Needing MergingEdit

Read'em&weep - The Artist pages "The Beau Brummels" and the "Beau Brummels" refer to the same group and should be merged or at least one of the pages needs to be a redirect.

So - what keeps you from doing that yourself? --Senvaikis (talk) 08:44, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
Read'em&weep - I wasn't sure how to do it and didn't want to screw it up, so I asked for help.

Noob adviceEdit

Hi, I'm new at this and would like a little advice, please, so I don't offend someone more experienced (which would be anybody).

I edited some pages to remove the composer's name from inside the [lyric][/lyric] tags. It didn't seem to be part of the lyrics. However, if I'm mistaken I'll be glad to go back and undo those changes. What do you suggest? -- Dgndenver 20:49, November 7, 2010 (UTC)dgndenver

You're right in that song credits don't belong inside the <lyrics> tags; they should contain nothing but the lyrics. So, good on you :-) You might, however, move them to a ==Credits== section right below the lyrics instead of removing them (see here for example). — 6×9 (Talk) 21:55, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Dgndenver 13:07, November 9, 2010 (UTC)dgndenver

Genre mergingEdit

Okay, so the genres Gothic Rock and Goth Rock really need to be merged. Now, I'm not averse to doing mergers--I've done them with duplicated song pages and even some duplicated artists, but I don't know if there's anything special about merging categories: do I need to manually change the listed genre on half of the songs? Thanks! --Lucius Voltaic 01:17, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, categories are different in this regard. All pages in Genre/Goth Rock will have to be edited and "ic" inserted. When that's done, the now empty category should NOT be redirected, but marked for deletion (because pages added to a redirected category don't magically in the "target category"). In this case it's still manageable with 16 pages, but if you need to merge larger categories, you can let one of our cyborgs (lws or lwt) know. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:35, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
OK, the 16 are changed. How do I mark for deletion? --Lucius Voltaic 07:13, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Just put {{deletion|(reason for deletion)}} at the top of a page. (No need to do it here; I've deleted it already.) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:46, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Those damned externals...Edit

hi, 6

while checking some pages, marked for deleting (above msg.), I suddenly found that all albums links to iTunes are dead now, thohgh having proper iTID. As you know, most of them where added by Lwt recently, and I'm absolutlelly sure all of them were working yet a few days back. Looking at recent changes in templates namespace, I couln't find any possible reasons of such change. Any thoughts? seems I'm getting tired... --Senvaikis (talk) 21:55, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
IDs are correct – check this link: doesn't work, but if you delete everything after the id (starting with &partnerId) it does. So it's a problem with those parameters. Maybe Sean's contract has ended? — 6×9 (Talk) 07:21, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
Try to click on iT link of Virgin Steele:Visions Of Eden (2006) to ascertain that "&cc=" part should be removed from the link in {{ITunes}}. Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 10:17, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
Clicked, ascertained & removed. (aka done) Link works after a null edit. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:54, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

albums with Various ArtistsEdit


just would like to seek some assistance, the albums that i am trying to create has various artists and it seems i am having some issues . — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nitesoul (talkcontribs), 20:08, 18 November 2010.

Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Compilations might answer your questions. If it doesn't, I can help out, but I'll need more specific information. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:43, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Some help againEdit

Hi again. If you have time, could you add some german and english lyrics for these songs:

Royal Family:Usko Unelmii
Rockin Da North:One World
Rockin Da North:Täällä Taas
YOR123 & Skandaali:On A Mission
YOR123 & Skandaali:City At Night
YOR123 & Skandaali:Then Death Comes
YOR123 & Skandaali:You Left Me
YOR123 & Skandaali:Keep Distance

I'm not sure which of these can befound from internet. But let me know if you need me to put some song in internet. Thank you! :) Prybar 11:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'll see if I can get around to some of these over the weekend, but don't get your hopes up. Maybe you'd have more luck asking on the Community Portal? — 6×9 (Talk) 20:12, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okey, but thanks anyway :) . Ill' ask from there! :) Prybar


Hey dude, long time no hear from me! I'm still busy at work, but with Semantic Mediawiki! I could find the time to rededicate here, if it was learning about/implementing SMW. Any word on adding the extension? --Aquatiki 15:06, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, good to know you're still around! Though I'm afraid the prospects for SMW are bleak… See here. Sean did answer your question… it just took him half a year ;-)6×9 (Talk) 20:09, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I am kind of his PA for his talk page management regarding archiving topics, so I made lists what he has to look at, and I reminded him often enough so he finally answered Wink - Chris 20:26, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

FoxyTunes Planet -> Yahoo musicEdit

Hi, 6

Not for real need - just for keeping alive illusion of some 'real activity': sure you've seen this message(@ the section end); - are you going to do something with that? --Senvaikis (talk) 18:35, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
Actually I kinda sorta missed that… *oops* Must have been because I posted on your talk page a few minutes later, so it didn't show on my watchlist. Removed links in AF & SF – dunno whether we should link to Yahoo instead. Since there was no other notification in the last two weeks I'd guess hardly anyone ever clicked on them anyway ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 18:48, December 2, 2010 (UTC)


Hi 6,

was it you who cleared out the done entries of our Special:Soapfailures? If so, please don't do that anymore from now on, because we need them Smile. Since I've had PHP and SQL in school now, Sean and I are working on a new Soapfailures page with a button to clear done entries, because entering the titles in the text fields every time is quite annoying and time consuming. But to test it, we need some entries that are done, of course. Wink

It is planned that there is a button "Fixed" in a new column, and for admin maybe another button "Spam" to remove the entry unchecked and put it on a list of titles ignored by SOAP, to fix entries that are completly wrong there (ad breakers and so on). Furthermore the action will not lead to an empty page with a "back to"-link anymore, but make the page show a confirmation or error box at its top area, similar to Special:Preferences. I hope we'll be able to script that. - Chris 17:33, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I did wonder why there were so many entries that hadn't been cleared :-) All right then, I'll leave them in. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:50, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
Done Yeah Sean's a genius, isn't he? He completely rewrote the whole code in only 7 days, relaxing 5 of them. I am stunned. - Chris 17:37, December 8, 2010 (UTC) P.S.: You are fast too! I am doing too few Wink
Proof that you can have genius without madness – a mad genius wouldn't waste five days relaxing when he could be planning to take over the internet instead. Senv is firmly rooted in the #1 spot… I suppose he sometimes forgets to use his bot account :-) With anyone else I'd suspect they did it on purpose!6×9 (Talk) 18:32, December 8, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, 6.

Don't you think that's time to finish finally our penance with akuma?
The more because it seems slightly dead at all now ;)
--Senvaikis (talk) 15:10, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
Agree 110%! I've already removed blank params from artist & album autotemplates. Sean has already given his blessing a while ago (can't remember on which talk page though). I'll leave a warning on the comm. portal… — 6×9 (Talk) 15:23, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
Seems like news of their death have been exaggerated – site is back up. I'm still for removing the links. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:28, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
Sean said ok. So do I. Contract timed out, and even if we continue to provide it we can use the allmusic parameter. The database is the same as allmusic (by AMG), so it's redundant except for its German language. - Chris 17:24, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

DoneGreen; Done. --Senvaikis (talk) 11:44, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Deleting the template was strangely satisfying… ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:44, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


Can I also make articles for Dutch songs?--Station7 21:53, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Certainly! We have songs in almost any language. The more the merrier! — 6×9 (Talk) 06:16, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. :) --Station7 19:30, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


Hi 6.

Spam filter's "hooked" completely - most of Янка's pages are uneditable for very strange hook-abortion reason - pairs of russian letters, such as "tr", "pr", "Ne" etc. (transliterated, 'cause spam filter blocked even this message). --Senvaikis (talk) 09:55, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
Seems the reason is Янка's lyrics encoding - Kirilica (Windows-1251). It looks ok for browser (at least mine), but not for spam-filter...--Senvaikis (talk) 10:52, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
...No, not so simple - tried to redecode to utf8 - didn't work. The reason was very interesting - some russian letters (Е,е;Р,р;Н...) in these pages are replaced by same-looking latin letters (E,e;P,p;H...). I suppose you can't see any difference between bolds now on your screen. But spam filter - can :). To notice a difference, switch your browser encoding from utf8 to Western (Windows 1252). That's why seemingly null-edit enabled hooked page saving. --Senvaikis (talk) 11:27, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
Back in the old Win98 days I'd have simply copied the lyrics into notepad; any Cyrillic letters would then have been turned into question marks. Notepad++ still does that when I set encoding to ansi. In between all those question marks there were still some y's left which I replaced with у's. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:13, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I still refuse to understand why should spam filter go crazy from such 'harmless replace'... :)--Senvaikis (talk) 18:03, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

GN-takedown restoringEdit

As you've possibly noticed already, Lwt ignored {{gn_restore}}'s warning for bots and have started RPNA cleaning.

Currently 467 pages are gn-restored, but two types of pages still remain untouched:

  • 449 pages with empty lyrics (nothing to restore)
  • 227 hook-aborted pages, containing accented chars like chr(FDFF) in lyrics (issue, related to above thread - again blocked even this msg.)

I'd like to know your oppinion about cleaning both these groups. Practically after 'restoring' first group we'd have a pages with empty lyrics, e.g. - all these pages should be deleted.

Regarding the second group, Lwt could change all these accented chars to "?", but wouldn't it be better to learn spam filter tolerate them?

Any ideas? thx, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:31, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

The first group can be deleted. Maybe, just for safety, if possible, check first if they were created by GNB (who apparently isn't aware that pagenames can be protected as well).
The second one is trickier. Maybe a few of them can be redirected automatically (if artist page is redirect and same song title exists for target artist), but the vast majority will probably have to be done by hand (unless Sean is willing to turn of this weird spamfilter rule for a short while). — 6×9 (Talk) 18:10, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Rap songsEdit I am the accurate source for rap shit son. You are the inaccurate source, your edits suck send me any of your edits and I will prove that you can't edit a rap song. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk), 19:26, December 22, 2010 (UTC).

Formatted by Chris 13:09, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Hey, b_lee, it would be great if you could tell him, me, or us in common, what song or edits you are talking about. - Chris 13:09, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
If you are the same user as Mike Torres, Miketorres1991, Miketorres1996,, or any of the blocked 99.* IPs, then I see little point in discussing this any further – especially per email.
If you are not, please tell me which of my edits "suck" and why. I will not accept "because you reverted my edits" as a valid reason though. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:58, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


Hi 6 x! I've added the district (distritos) of Portugal as "states" to Category:Hometown|Portugal. Now there are sill some obsolete hometown page without state. Could you please delete the following pages:


Thanx and greetings --Ignor-the-ant 16:50, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

done6×9 (Talk) 18:02, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

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