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{{Covered}}Edit

After a "test run" with {{Parody}}, I have now updated {{Covered}} to use the full song pagename instead of just artist. Advantages:

  • No extra parameters required if song titles differ or if song's artist prefix differs from artist pagename
  • For song collaborations it now links to (up to four) separate artists
  • Display text is fetched from Song.alias and SongFooter.song, so it actually shows "#1 With a Bullet" instead of "Number 1 With A Bullet"

Also, {{Cover2}} has now finally been merged into {{Covered}}.
Next up: {{Cover}} (when I find the time)… — 6×9 (Talk) 13:34, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thx, 6! May we expect Artist/Album/Song Info to be the next your "dpl-target"? That'd be the real revolution in lw pageranking... --Senvaikis (talk) 17:30, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
I'll get to that eventually, but it will make tl:Song look simple by comparison… Complete automation won't be possible anyway – you can detect "done", but not "not applicable" (with few exceptions like sf.language). — 6×9 (Talk) 18:05, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks for updating the templates lately, they are more handy now! What do you think, can there be a better way then to enumerate the song pages in such template lists, as I always find it quite some labor to, lets say add an artist starting with A in the covered list at The Beatles:Yesterday... Could the enumeration get removed altogether and the list only be sorted alphabetically? --Fassbrause (talk) 11:26, March 13, 2015 (UTC)
Not really, at least on the template side of things. (Loops are too limited.) The only thing I can think of is a sortable table, but you'd have to click on the header, which isn't intuitive. Or leave them unsorted, until another user or a bot comes along…6×9 (Talk) 11:10, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Stylistic guidelines Edit

Hi!
Following a suggestion by EchoSierra, I'm leaving a message here.
I'm of the opinion that the artist, album and song pages, as long that the link names follow the LW:PN policy, the information inside them should reflect what the artist wanted.
For example, YUI is an artist that names all albums in all caps, and some of the songs as well (MB artist page [1], Japanese Wikipedia [2], official Sony Music web store [3]).
And so, in my opinion, the artist page should list the albums and the songs as the artist intended, as long as the links themselves follow the policy.
I reached out to ES, we discussed a bit and he has a different and valid opinion:

"All caps is only an stylistic issue. In fact the artist name should be changed from YUI to Yui as well, but I held off on that, for now. The thinking at LW regarding allowing CJK artists to live in their own enclave with different rules than non-CJK artists has changed over the years. Song title, like album title like Artist name"

and

Personally I think having a couple of a ALLCAPS SONG TITLES in the middle of a page full of ini capped text is just plain bad taste, and clashes with the style of LW pages, (the artists' stylistic choices rules on their album covers, not at LW:))

I don't argue renaming the link YUI to Yui, I just would like the content on the page itself to be the close to the truth as possible.
ES wanted me to mention MAXIMUM THE HORMONE. I agree this page is not in the best condition, but I stand by my opinion, and I believe with a little (maybe a lot!) editing that page could be at its best.
Thanks for reading, and if it's possible, I'd like some input from other people, so we can reach a consensus.
Cheers! :-) Securita (talk) 17:30, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

It depends on the context, really. If some words are CAPSLOCKed and some aren't, then that's usually an artistic choice and we should honor that (in the displaytext), no matter how much it clashes with our sense of aesthetics. If everything is allcaps, it could as well be a formatting choice (like bold or green) and should only be reproduced if the artist made it explicitly clear that it's more than formatting (like k.d. lang, to choose a reverse example).
As for album titles: There are loads and loads and loads of albums where the title (and/or artist name) is printed in uppercase on the cover. We don't reproduce that for non-CJK artists except for special cases, so I don't see why we should do it differently for CJK (again, unless the artist explicitly states that the album is meant to be called "SHOUT OUT LOUD & PROUD" and not "Shout Out Loud & Proud"). — 6×9 (Talk) 19:55, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Lyrics Wiki PromotionEdit

Hey Everyone! My name is Jamie and I'm on Wikia's Community Development Team. We're in contact with a potential content sponsor about the possibility of debuting a series of relevant music videos on the Lyrics community and drawing eyes to your work here on Wikia.

Is this something you think you guys would find interesting? If so, let me know and we'll do our best to provide you more details when we have them. Let me know by leaving a message on my talk page! Jamie @Wikia (profile)•(talk)

Renaming multiple song pages Edit

Hi, I just noticed that the artist Yoko Shimomura doesn't have kanji in front of the romanized name and wonder if I should rename all song pages from [[Yoko Shimomura:song name]] to [[下村 陽子 (Yoko Shimomura):song name]] after I do that. // WikiaPhoenix talk 14:19, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Where are the Boxes?Edit

There is a (Type = Box Set) that can be set for albums (like Type= Compilation). Are these Boxes categorized somewhere? And are they anything but large compilations? tia --ES (talk) 15:02, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Type is just for display (except soundtrack & compilation). — 6×9 (Talk) 15:34, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

AlbumCoverEdit

{{AlbumCover}} has been updated: it now has a single required parameter (page) where previously it took 3-4 (artist, album, year and possibly albumartist). If you see any weird behaviour, please let me know. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:31, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Collabs within single artist albumsEdit

What's the rule when it comes to having joint credit collaborations (which would require {{SongCollaboration}}) in albums with a single main artist (see Hardwell:United We Are (2015) vs. Tiësto:A Town Called Paradise (2014)). Should SongCollaboration be used (my preference), or should we just use fa= in {{Song}} instead, even though many outside sources such as iTunes and Wikipedia list it as a joint credit? Patzilla777 (talk) 17:33, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Instrumental album & song pagesEdit

Derived from my harsh discussion with Lichtweber about the deletion of an official instrumental album page with the corresponding song pages, I want to continue the discussion here with input from other members. A only recent [change of the rules] done by Lichtweber forbids the creation of "Lyricless albums, like score albums" pages. I want to know if the other admins ever agreed to the rule change. In case you ever agreed to it, I want to make a point for keeping instrumental album and song pages and will list my reasons:

  • I want to be able to find any officially released song (even if it is an instrumental) of an artist on this wiki (the utopian vision).
  • Even instrumental albums are important works, see for example Brian Eno:Ambient 1: Music For Airports (1978) - why would you want to delete such albums?
  • Experts / music lovers of an artist will come the our wiki to make it the most complete. It gets more attractive the more complete the artist pages are.
  • They don't do harm to you
  • To avoid dumping all those songs in the "Other Songs" section, we need a frame to list them -> Album pages get created, even instrumental only

Reasons for keeping instrumental song pages (even if they don't contain lyrics <-> LyricWikia):

  • Users of the wiki and user/programs of the API get a clear response if looking for the song lyrics:
    • Song page is available
      • Retrieve lyrics / instrumental tag
      • Read meta data from song header / footer, credits, trivia, etc...
    • Song page is not (yet) available: Feel free to add
    • The current approach: Song page not available / got deleted, album page deleted:
      • State of uncertainty (Why ain't it there? Simply not added yet or already deleted...). Lichtweber gave a good example of a page which got vandalized by him in my opinion: LyricWiki:Lists/Final Fantasy - It's not even possible now to see the track lists of the deleted albums. The short remark "Please note that completely lyricless albums will not be detailed here" is no help for API users.
      • No meta data linking (think: covered, sampled, featured (in)) from & to other song pages possible
  • Some as instrumental tagged songs contain lyrics / samples, yet nobody ever listened closely to them. They might turn into lyricful songs. See for example my work at Thomas Bergersen:Sun (2014), other lyric sites still list every song as instrumental...
  • Did I mention that they don't do harm to you?

Disadvantage:

  • Initial higher maintenance of pages (add the album / song pages, add meta data (though mostly bots work)), but once created, it gets far lower (The "cleanup" of instrumentals and fighting of users trying to re-add lyrics is gone)
  • "B-but my diskspace / bandwith..." can not be a reason, I'm sorry

As you can see I have an inclusionist viewpoint Wikipedia16, because it is the very nature of Wikis to collaboratively edit articles and improve them iterative. I want to keep this spirit going here. --Fassbrause (talk) 11:14, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

{{Cover}}Edit

Said template has (finally) been updated to use the same syntax as {{Covered}}. While I was at it, I added addtext parameters and an option to list multiple songs. Please let me know if you see any strange behaviour. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:00, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Excellent work as usual,thank you!
Could you take care of the {{Sample}} and {{Sampled}} templates as well? It would make song pages like this look less messy Wink --Fassbrause (talk) 08:37, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
done6×9 (Talk) 06:16, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Grooveshark Edit

Hello, it seems that the site GrooveShark got shut down in April. So the templates and links (in artist/album/song footers) to this site should probably get deleted. (I apologize if you are already aware of this, just thought I would let you guys know.) Falandra (talk) 23:30, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

done6×9 (Talk) 06:17, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

AlbumHeaderEdit

A new template, {{AlbumHeader}}, will supersede both {{Album}} and {{AlbumCollaboration}}. The two major changes (other than the less ambiguous template name) are

  1. all parameters are now lower-case (as is the case pun originally not intended with most other templates);
  2. the fLetter parameter has been moved to {{AlbumFooter}} (for consistency, as with songs and artists).

All changes are detailed in the new template's documentation. Currently the bot is replacing all instances of {{AlbumCollaboration}}; when that is done and no problems are found, it will move on to {{Album}}. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:42, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Lyrically Edit

Hello. I use the Lyrically app, and am wondering how it syncs with the lyrics on this wiki? I've come across lyrics in the app from time to time which are not available, but when I look in the web site, it is on there.

An example is the artist Peter Furler. His On Fire album is on this wiki, but the app says "There is no info for this album".

Thanks for any help.

Estiffler (talk) 00:49, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

URL Structure Change Edit

Hi all,

just wanted to let you know about upcoming change in our site url structure. If you are using some customizings in your profile, - be sure to check your CSS or JS files to make sure that you are pointing to the right URLs.
regards, --Senvaikis (talk) 07:47, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

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