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Wikify

I used to use Special:Wikify to create an album's track list and it was really useful. I can't get it to output anything useful any more. What am I doing wrong? Eeepy 02:41, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's not you, it's the server. I've notified Sean already, but maybe he needs a bump... 6×9 (Talk) 05:36, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Artists who record parodies under other names

I want to add the HeeBeeGeeBees two albums, but was unsure how to handle them. On both albums the songs are parodies of an artist (but not parodies of actual songs a la 'Weird Al' Yankovic) listed as by a parody of that artist's name. For example, "Pretty Boys On Video" is by Drone Drone (not Duran Duran), "It's Out Of Proportion" is by Jack Michaelson (not Michael Jackson), "Meaningless Songs" is by the HeeBeeGeeBees (not the Bee-Gees). But all songs are recorded by the same physical people (also referred to as the HeeBeeGeeBees).

Should I just use a normal artist template, but include the "artist" in the song title, or list the "artist" as the first line in the lyrics, or forget all that and just use a compilation template, or what? I don't want to do the wrong thing, if possible.

D f cornish 00:48, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the best solution would be to use regular album templates, prefixing all links with "HeeBeeGeeBees:", but adding "… by Drone Drone" etc. after each song link (like on compilation pages, but without the link to the artist page). On song pages, you can use the alias parameter, like {{Song|…|HeeBeeGeeBees|alias=Drone Drone|…}}. 6×9 (Talk) 08:41, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks! That worked a treat!D f cornish 13:42, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Artist called Category

Having trouble with an artist who goes by the name Category; presumably because of his name, it stuffs the pages up and makes an illegible mess. Any suggestions?D f cornish 04:13, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

The artist page can (and should) stay at Category; but you can't create song or album pages starting with "Category:" because then it's interpreted by the software as namespace. I suggest using "Category (Artist):" instead (like we did for a few artists whose names were also prefixes for interwiki links). 6×9 (Talk) 08:30, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that!D f cornish 13:43, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Error loading cover

I ran into an error uploading a cover art .png. When I tried to upload it, it said something about an MIME type error. However, I searched Google and a website said simply renaming the file can work, so I named it .jpg although it was a .png and it worked. Even the page then displayd .png correctly. However, trying to get the cover into the artist page failed: Born_Of_Osiris#The_Discovery Because the page looks for an .jpg. If the first error is solved probably the second error would be resolved as well. Or did I do something wrong (despite giving the file a wrong type ending of course :P )? -- Lexischemen 19:38, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

The {{Album Art}} template normally just looks for .jpg files; you can specify the filename with the first parameter, like {{Album Art|filename.png|displaytext}}.
I've converted and reuploaded it as .jpg though, since fair use requires the filesize is no bigger than 150kb. 6×9 (Talk) 19:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! :) -- Lexischemen 22:39, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Brands on song names

The band Os Seminovos released a song called "Eu não tenho iPhone", it's in Portuguese and I got confused on how to name the song page. The common policy is to capitalize every word, but I don't know what to do with the word "iPhone". Should i name it "Eu Não Tenho IPhone", "Eu Não Tenho Iphone" or "Eu Não Tenho iPhone"? Kleyguerth 22:16, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

The convention dictates to capialise the first letter of each word and leave the rest as close as specified by the artist (see LyricWiki:Page_Names#Capitalization). So I belive the correct name is "Eu Não Tenho IPhone". Nyoxi 02:51, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Watching pages?

I see all this stuff about Watchlists or "click the Watch tab", but don't see anything anywhere that says Watch. Am I blind? BeatriceBlue 05:54, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Watching is the same as following, these two terms are used throughout the wiki with the same meaning. At the top of the normal pages you should see 'Follow' link that puts that page into your watchlist. I hope this will help: Help:Watchlist. Nyoxi 15:13, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Songs performed by many artists

If there's a song that is performed by various artists, for example Cheek, Brad Spitt & TS:Voi Ei, is it possible to make the description say "This song is performed by Cheek, Brad Spitt & TS" instead of "This song is performed by Cheek, Brad Spitt & TS"? That would be useful information.

I went ahead & fixed the page (TS & Cheek:Pitää Pystyy Elää (2003)) up for you, so you can see another way to do it that is closer to what you're trying to accomplish & the way things are done here. I also created an artist page for TS & Cheek. I do not speak Finnish, so I guessed on a lot. Please go through it & see if the state & hometown info, along with everything else, is correct including the ArtistInfo template I added at bottom. I left the empty parameters |membersof=, |fmemberof=, |fmembers=, |related=, & |collabs=, just so you could see what other info can be added. You are welcome to use any of them or delete them all, as they were left only as examples. You will also notice that the 4 pages of songs you had the lyrics to are now redirected to the new retitled versions. For example, Cheek, Brad Spitt & TS:Voi Ei is now redirected to TS & Cheek:Voi Ei. I hope this helps! BeatriceBlue 01:24, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you 6x9, for helping me further!! ;o) BeatriceBlue 09:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

What is the Naming Policy for song names with code in their titles?

Trying to add some lyrics for Colin Buchanan, but many of his songs, being Bible based, have a colon in the title (e.g. 1 Peter3:10-12). However, if I try to create a page with this title, then a code-brainfart happens. How should I put the title? D f cornish 14:47, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

You can leave the pagename as is (should, actually), you'll just have to correct the artist parameter in {{Song}} and the song and fLetter parameters in {{SongFooter}}. Sorry for the inconvenience, but the auto-template has no way of knowing which of the colons separates artist from song title. 6×9 (Talk) 18:15, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Artist linking question...

Ok, say you have a band like NiNa. One off project with several members from several other bands. Some of the members were/are in prominent bands, but have no real body of solo work. Instead of having a million red edit links everywhere, would it be ok to link them to their normal standing band? For example, instead of allowing Kate Pierson of The B-52's stay red, should I link her like this: Kate Pierson (code view:[[The B-52's|Kate Pierson]]), so that when you click her name you go straight to The B-52's? Then just add an ArtistInfo tag at the bottom of The B-52's, with members names & related artists? Example (no genres, related, or labels included):

{{ArtistInfo
|members=
* Kate Pierson
* Cindy Wilson
* Fred Schneider
* Keith Strickland
|fmembers=
* Ricky Wilson
}}

-- BeatriceBlue, 23:36, 13 February 2011

I think it would be clearer to do something like "Kate Pierson (of The B-52's)", and if you want you can link to kate's Wikipedia page using either Kate Pierson or Kate Pierson Wikipedia16. This way you get a maximum of information with a minimum of redundancy :-) 6×9 (Talk) 07:26, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
Cool. Done Deal. Thanks! BeatriceBlue 09:15, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Adding a Facebook page link to a links list or infobox

I've tried adding a Facebook page link to an artist in the upper-right box as well as the external bottom list. Neither one works or seems to have a Facebook-oriented template. Any way to add a link if I know the artist has a Facebook page? Awtribute 21:52, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Me, too! Been wanting to ask this question awhile now. Come on, people, don't you guys know that MySpace is passé? LOL BeatriceBlue 05:30, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
A change in {{ArtistHeader}} is planned for the near future. Besides to Facebook, the YouTube profile will likely be moved from ArtistFooter to ArtistHeader. Then, all external links to pages maintained by the artist are in the header, all external links to common databases are in the footer, with only one exception: Wikipedia is just too important to be moved to the footer Wink - Chris 00:37, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
Any news or Artist Header/Footer changes yet? Might be early, was just wondering... Awtribute 12:12, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Watching vs Following...

There are pages of artists or songs that I'd like to "follow" just to easily refer back to them. Those are pages I'm not "protecting" or aren't complete. Then there are other pages that I've either completed, or am in the process of, that I do want to protect. Those pages start to clog up the "Following" list in my profile, so it becomes difficult to search through & find those pages I use to refer to & as examples. My question is, can the "watcher" template be added to pages other than talk pages? Not just the talk pages, but to the actual artist, album, or song page? Or, when I add that to the talk page, is that enough for both pages without having to check the "follow" on both the actual page & it's talk page instead? It'd be really nice, so that I don't have to "follow" every page I've completed & "watched", too. That way my finished, protected pages are all found in my "Watched by BeatriceBlue" page instead, and I'd only get bugged about my watched pages when a edit by someone else is made. BeatriceBlue 21:34, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Beatrice.
First some common information:
  1. Following (formerly called "watching") a page means you have clicked on the "Follow" link in the pagebar, or you have checked the "Follow this page" checkbox in edit mode (next to the "minor edit" checkbox). These pages appear on your following page (a very basic page) as well as on your watchlist, which is a very detailed page to check which pages were changed.
    If you follow a page, you are automatically following the page and its corresponding talkpage, e. g. if you watch User:LWChris, changes on User talk:LWChris will be visible in your watchlist as well.
  2. "Watching" now means you have put your username into some {{Watcher}} template on the talkpage of any artist, album or song. It only includes the talkpages; they appear in your "Watched by" category. For you, this is "Category:Watched by BeatriceBlue". The template {{Watcher}} may only be used for talkpages, nowhere else.
Both action do not have to do anything with each other. If you put your name into {{Watcher}}, you aren't effectively watching the page. However, the point of declaring yourself a watcher is to state that you actually watch the page, so no, sorry, you may not just add you to the {{Watcher}} template without following it.
To solve your problem, I recommend to adapt one of my systems to track what you want to do: I've got a user subpage called "Worklist". Most very active users here do have such a page where they can store notes and links about what they are planning to do. Mine is a bit different though, because it's not a maintained linklist but has more the character of an automatized specialpage to keep track of error-categories. Your list (click here to create it) could look like Sean's to do section on his userpage or more like Eeepy's worklist.
I am organizing pages I want to work on via bookmarks in Firefox. If I come across a page that needs editing, I bookmark it, select a separate folder which I create for these pages and change the bookmark title from "Title – LyricWiki" into "Title – problem description", for example "Los Delinqüentes – Album caps" if Los Delinqüentes needs to have their albums' pagenames revised. Advantage of the worklist as a wikipage is, that everyone can have a look into it and maybe helps out, and also, that you have a history. Disadvantage is the work to maintain it to keep it up to date. This is easier with bookmarks, but they are only available for you, and unless you are syncing them via add-on or something even only on that single PC.
So to start with, I recommend to create a worklist and add the pages you wanna work on. Some tricks to make it easier: use Special:PrefixIndex to find all pages of an artist, including those that are not linked on the artist page. Add a link like this - Lady Gaga - to your page to keep it clear but complete. You could maybe also you Special:WhatLinksHere, I don't know.
I hope I could help you a bit. Smile - Chris 13:41, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Title wrong

I forgot to put the Artist Name in front of this pages' title. Could you please add it? Thanks in advance — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.112.142.176 (talk), 08:43, 1 March 2011.

Done Dave Days:What Does It Take6×9 (Talk) 09:28, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Special:CreatePage

Could someone please tell me how you modified Special:CreatePage because I can't find the source for that page. I'd like to use a similar code to modify the "Add A Page" button on Coasterpedia so that people are encouraged to use that wiki's the infobox templates rather starting on the standard blank page. Thanks in advance.

Dolphanatic talk contributions 02:33, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

NEVER MIND! I figured it out myself! =D -- Dolphanatic talk contributions 02:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Same song with lyric differences

I was wondering, what do you do when an artist has the same song on 2 different albums but the lyrics are slightly different (like adding a new verse)? Because the song has the same title so the link from both albums will lead to the same lyric page. Yeshuafreak212 05:12, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Depends on how slightly. If the differences are really minor you can note them on the song page, for example in a section below the lyrics titled ==<<album title>> version==. Else you can create a second song page with "(<<Album Title>> Version) note the caps appended to the pagename. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:11, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Song with no lyrics/instrumental on an album

During recent work to shore up a list of albums/songs for an artist, I was reminded that 2 or 3 (or 4?) songs from one of the added albums are instrumental only, no lyrics at all. Should there be some kind of "no lyrics in this song" message in lieu of the 'lyrics' tags, or should the song be linked at all from the main album list? Awtribute 14:03, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Instrumentals get pages just like songs with lyrics; just put the {{instrumental}} template between the <lyrics> tags and leave out the language parameter in the {{SongFooter}}. See Category:Instrumental for a few examples… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:59, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Song credits, any general rules?

I'd like to know if there are any general rules for artists which credits go first, music or lyrics? For example, the lp-cover of Nektar:Man In The Moon gives credit for the song "Telephone" as follows: Albrighton/Rojas/Freeman/Albrighton/Freeman. Does this mean Albrighton/Rojas/Freeman wrote the music and Albrighton/Freeman wrote the lyrics? Or the other way round? Or can any artist list them at random? -- Darknite47 11:23, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any and I certainly doubt that. You'll probably have to find another reliable and more specific source of the information. --Nyoxi 20:20, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the answer. The only more reliable source I can think of is the artist himself. Nothing found on the net. But if the artist doesn't bother to split the credits in music and lyrics, why should we? Darknite47 17:23, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
Right, no reason that we should have to be specific if we can't find good information. Given only what you have, I would simply do the credits this way:
  • Music and lyrics by Roye Albrighton, Carmine Rojas, and Allan Taff Freeman
Trainman 03:10, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks again. Will do so.
Darknite47 13:53, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Different artists with same name

I want to create a page about "Area", an italian prog-rock group well-known in the seventies, but exists yet a page named Area, with a different artists. What can I do? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peppedogmax (talkcontribs), 06:31, May 3, 2011.

I did a little research, and it turned out that the existing band Area should have been Área, with an accent mark, so I moved that page. The Area page is now available for you to use for the Italian group. Trainman 21:57, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
I have the same problem: the page for Trust is clearly for the French band; but the one album listed there is from an American rock band with the same name. To make things more complicated, there's a Belgian pop band with the same name, and another American duo called The Trust. And last year I had some problems with multiple bands called Stratus. There should be a policy to sort out this kind of thing. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch 14:56, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
*ahem* LyricWiki:Page Names#Artist Pages6×9 (Talk) 16:03, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

How to note references?

I'd like to include a little additional information for some of the albums and songs. That's easy enough, but how do I include the reference for my information? I'd like some kind of footnote, but I can't find the syntax for that anywhere in the help.

Thanks! -- WrenDancing 14:47, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

You can use the {{ref}} and {{note}} templates to create the footnotes. There's an example of how to use them on the template page. Trainman 16:14, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wordpress support?

Is there a wordpress plugin that works or php code that is available to enable lyricwiki searching from a wordpress blog? The wordpress plugin listed on the Plugin page (http://lyrics.wikia.com/LyricWiki:Plugins) does not work. -- JulieJ 18:27, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Bot Question

Hello, I was planning on making a bot so I read LyricWiki:Bot_Portal but I just wanted to make sure that my plan is ok with the admins before I start.

  • Bot will use meta info from my music library, which will include lyrics if present.
  • Bot will only manage music from specific artists which I specify, currently I plan on doing Dave Remmler (and aliases - Renard#Related_Artists)
  • Bot will upload (and maybe resize) album covers which will be retrieved from Banshee (I have no idea where they come from).
  • Bot will fix album name / release year and artist name on existing tracks, and replace lyrics if present in music file.
  • Track and album pages will be created if they don't already exist.
  • Song title and featured artists will be fixed on album pages and artist pages.
  • Album art image tags will be fixed on album pages and artist pages that don't already have them.
  • The code used to interface with lyric wiki will be written in Java, and all the code used will be free

--Higgs1 03:08, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this sounds pretty unbelievable because what you name here is like "I'm fixing all the problems you've got with my bot" Wink. Besides, one thing sounds dangerous to me: "Bot will fix album name / release year and artist name on existing tracks, and replace lyrics if present in music file." What exactly makes you so sure your library is more accurate than ours, f. e. with the lyrics? Smile It's very likely you've got slightly different lyrics with linebreaks etc.
General bot actions, what to pay attention to and how we see them:
  • Add new content - Make sure you add new content and not duplicates under a slightly different or wrong name. For pictures use good file names, make sure the license allows the uploading of that artist picture and mind the resolution of covers. If you pay attention to all of this, adding content per bot is very welcome.
  • Edit content - Make sure your edits improve the usability, a good looking page doesn't help anybody if it's hard to keep it up to date. It should also match our current standard. When changing something, keep in mind that your edits might be changed, just like your are currently changing what another user thought is best. Generally, editing per bot is allowed.
  • Replace content with data from external sources - Critical if you're not very careful. We rather see our content knowingly and deliberately improved than plainly overwritten with something else. For example, we prefer a typofix that keeps the layout than blindly copy & paste from a different source without typo but completely different linebreaks. The current content might be better.
  • Removing content - If this is done by bot without supervision by its maintainer, i. e. in a "sync" for example, this is usually unwanted at first. This is different for supervised special tasks, but please tell us what you are doing. For example, if you're replacing all MusicBrainz "release" parameters with the release groups, just let us know beforehand.
Conclusion: I think it's okay, you may try developing your bot. Please be very careful rolling it out, show us some examples first before you keep editing with it. Besides, each larger bot action is usually discussed with the admins.
- Chris 01:13, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Questionable Gracenote Song Locks And Gracenote Song Lock Questions

With the latest spate of cleanups by LYRIC-Janitor, I've been doing my best to try and tidy up the array of duplicates and orphaned tracks on the many pages I watch over... In a few cases, this has lead to problems regarding some misspelled tracks that have Gracenote edit locks on them, though the properly titled tracks are not locked. In some cases, it seems that 6 times 9 has come along and unprotected tracks that GracenoteBot had protected but GN pages existed for, but this obviously didn't filter down to the variety of vestigial mistitled tracks that need to at least be redirected to the proper title. (Easily found examples: Marilyn Manson:04. Rock Is Dead, Marilyn Manson:The Dopeshow) In other cases, there's that single track on an album that is locked and there's a track that needs to be retitled but also has the lock on it. What is the procedure when one finds cases like this? I'd just remove them from the "Other Songs" section and move on, but LYRIC-Janitor will eventually just add them back. What's the proper procedure here? - Ssmodk 08:22, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for doing the cleanup work!
Getting this kind of thing fixed is what the Job Exchange page is for -- you can list all the locked pages with incorrect names, and the first admin who has a chance will do the cleanup.
I made redirects for the two incorrectly titled Marilyn Manson pages you mentioned. I'm reluctant to do it for that Ministry track -- I'm not at all familiar with Ministry, so I don't know whether or not the lyrics are exactly the same between "N.W.O." and "N.W.O. (Update Mix)." If the lyrics aren't the same, we'd want to keep both pages, since if Gracenote manages to license Ministry's lyrics in the future, we'd want to have both of the two different sets of lyrics available. Trainman 18:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
You don't have to worry. The lyrics are exactly the same, from what I remember. They just had "update mixes" of several songs on their greatest hits album, which means they tweaked some of the older recordings for the album, either for sound quality or length... (Also, that's the only Ministry track that isn't licensed, so I have no idea what's up there.) But I will definitely try to compile a list and submit it to Job Exchange. Thanks for the tip. - Ssmodk 22:00, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
One month later, with the GPP this problem shouldn't persist anymore, right? Smile - Chris 01:18, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

2 other songs added by LyricJanitor to wrong artist

Lyric Janitor added 2 orphaned songs to artist page Focus. These songs are not by the dutch band but are from a free downloadable album by a producer from Aftermath Records called Focus. This seems to be the first album, but I can't find any sites of him, no offical page, no myspace, no wikipedia.
Just the download-site http://www.dubcnn.com/mixtapes/focus-dedicated/ and an interview http://www.aftermathmusic.com/blog/interviews/2008/focus-march-2008/.
Don't know what to do with these two songs. Very little to no information about him to create an artist page, I think.
User:Darknite47 15:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Found him on Wikipedia as Focus... (with an ellipsis), so I created a Focus... artist page here and moved the two songs. Trainman 15:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
That was fast :-) Thanks. Darknite47 17:12, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Denoting the standard version of a song

What's the best way to denote that the lyrics on a song page are based on the standard version of a song when it's not obvious which version is the standard? For example, Suicide_Commando:Hellraiser. The standard version is the Psychopath-01 version; there is no song simply entitled "Hellraiser". Another example is Suicide_Commando:Comatose_Delusion - the standard version is Overdose Shot Two. IAmTheClaw 01:49, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean when one version is a cover of another? In that case you can use {{cover}} on the cover version's page – {{cover|original artist|original song title}} – and {{cover2}} on the original's page. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:49, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
Not covers, but different mixes by the same artist (though there do tend to be remixes by other artists of such songs). Hellraiser (Psychopath 01-Version) appears on the album Suicide Commando:Mindstrip (2000), the box set Suicide Commando:X.20: 1986-2006 (2007) and the single Suicide Commando:Hellraiser (2000), but the Psychopath 02-Version only appears on the single (alongside a couple remixes by other artists). IAmTheClaw 13:18, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
If the album and box set call the song "Hellraiser" but the single calls the same recording "Hellraiser (Psychopath-01 Version)," then I think there's no need to do anything -- the song page showing that the song appears on a single, an album, and a box set is a pretty good indication that you're looking at the "standard" version of the song; as is, on the album page for the single, the fact that it's the first track.
If the album, box set, and single do all list the recording as "Hellraiser (Psychopath-01 Version)," then I would actually rename the existing "Hellraiser" song page. (That will not only correct the title, it'll redirect anyone who's looking for just plain "Hellraiser" to what they were probably looking for.)
In either case, if "Hellraiser (Psychopath-02 Version)" and "Hellraiser (VNV Nation Remix)" have different lyrics than "Hellraiser"/"Hellraiser (Psychopath 01)" -- even if they're only slightly different -- then it's perfectly fine to also have separate pages for "Hellraiser (Psychopath 02)" and "Hellraiser (VNV Nation Remix)." The fact that all three listings on the album page for the single currently link to the same "Hellraiser" page is essentially just as a placeholder. Trainman 16:30, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
So remixes are supposed to have their own pages, and that most of the artist/album pages I deal with have only one page for each set of mixes because they're just not that popular, right? I'll start making separate pages then. Thanks.
BTW, should a remix/alternate version/instrumental version done by the same artist still have the {{Remix}} template? IAmTheClaw 17:02, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

B-Hits, WP-Song, SotD for cover songs?

Hi all, do the templates "B-Hits", "SOTD" and "WP-Song" only apply for the original recording or for a cover of the song as well?
User:Darknite47 11:13, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Depends. Doesn't it always? :-) SotD is only for the version that actually was SotD, same for No.1/B-Hits (though this could of course apply to more than one version). WP-Song is more difficult – I'd say if there's any information in the wp article that's not only relevant to the original version it makes sense to put the template on the cover page as well. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:39, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
I've found WP-Song to be relevant in this instance at least 99% of the time. (Just make sure you're linking to the correct article for the original song, and not a different song with the same name, or a disambiguation page.) Trainman 16:34, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks to you two. Song in question is Beggars Opera:MacArthur Park. It's the same song minus one verse from the original, which is Richard Harris:MacArthur Park.
Darknite47 16:58, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
Perfect (except that the standard we've been using is that the YouTube video goes above WP-Song and the other badges, but I fixed that, along with a bit of weird formatting that was causing the credit line to come out as plain text). Hadn't heard that version before -- it's more over the top than the original and Donna Summer's disco cover version! That's a compliment, not a criticism. Trainman 18:18, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Album ranking if no Amazon/iTunes link exists

Hi, I've just gone through all the information for Okkervil_River:Golden_Opportunities_Mixtape_(2007) and would like to upgrade its star ranking. Unfortunately, because it was (and is) provided only as a free download, no Amazon or iTunes entries exist for it. I've filled in the download source - is this enough to upgrade it, even though Help:Page_ranking/Albums says "They must have ... either an iTunes or ASIN link present."?

Thanks – Antt 09:01, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's an error on the help page; it should read "...if applicable". The above album page should be good to go Silver; Gold if you add credits. Thanks for the alert! — 6×9 (Talk) 16:24, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
Excellent - thanks so much for that. I'll add the credits when I have a chance and upgrade it straight to Gold. – Antt 09:36, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

A few duplicate pages with errors need to be deleted

This page has a lot of duplicate lyrics where a bot seems to have messed up adding lyrics [[1]]. All the icelandic characters are missing in one of the two versions of lyrics posted. I don't know anything about editing wikis but songs number 4, 6, 9, 13, 18, 22, 24, 28, 30, 35, 36, 40, 41, 45, 48, 53, 57, 58, 60, 62, 67, 71, 72, 76, 79, 81, 82, 84, 87, 92, 93 and 96 need to be deleted, there is already a copy of the correct lyrics on the site. Thank you. -- Birkir 07:38, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Birkir -- thank you for the notice. In instances such as this, we prefer to redirect the incorrect pages to the correct ones, rather than deleting them. Since you seem to be familiar with this artist, it might be better for you to do the work instead of someone else, and it might be a good place for you to start learning about editing wikis.
Creating a redirect is easy: on the incorrect page, delete the existing text and replace it with #REDIRECT [[Correct Page Title]]. We also have a full help page on the topic of redirects that you can read.
Once you've done that, you can delete the incorrect song titles from the Nýdönsk page -- and then work on separating the songs into albums, and so on. There are topics on our main help page that detail how to do that -- see the topics listed under "Getting Started," "Editing," and "Policy" in particular. Trainman 16:43, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

type=Soundtrack in Song-Template

Hi all,

I have a problem with the song template on the soundtrack Eloy:Codename Wildgeese (1984). To rank it silver or gold the right album type has to be added. Help page says with type=soundtrack the album link changes to Album (Year). When I add type=Soundtrack the album link on the song page turns red. And if I remove the artist it says wrong song template. So how can I get it right? Darknite47 20:00, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Adding type=soundtrack on the Song pages is only necessary to link to the correct location if the soundtrack is by "various artists." In this case, since it's a soundtrack album by a single artist, you don't need to do anything special on the Song pages, just the Album page (which it appears you already have). It won't specifically say on the Song pages that the album is a soundtrack, but that's fine, since that information is on the Album page. Trainman 20:18, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
If you still want to add the type, there are two possible workarounds: (1) use "soundtrack album" instead of "soundtrack", or (2) add &#32; before "soundtrack". (The latter is HTML for a space character and won't be visible on the saved page.) — 6×9 (Talk) 21:01, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again to both of you. Darknite47 12:01, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate badge earned

Hello,

I appear to have been awarded two copies of the "Two Weeks on the Wiki" badge by mistake. I'm not complaining, but it does seem a little unfair :) – Antt 10:52, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wait until you see how many copies you get of the "365 Days on the Wiki" badge. Trainman 16:49, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
LOL! And thanks for the Welcome on my talk page :) – Antt 16:54, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Two songs in a single track

What should be done when an artist records a single track on album that plays 2 different songs? (see Axxis:Better World / Livin' In The Dark for an example). The booklet from the album shows that there are two different songs in that track with different lyrics and lyricist so I guess that two separate pages should be created, but how to display it on the album/artist page? I thought displaying something like "Better World / Livin' In The Dark", but I'd like an opinion from a more experienced contributor than me. Also, in case both pages are created, what should be done with the old page? I guess it should be redirected, but to which page? Kleyguerth 03:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

That's how I would do it -- actually, standard punctuation rules say no spaces around slashes, so I'd do Better World/Livin' in the Dark (also note that you can have the second song display with correct title capitalization). I would say redirect the original page to the first of the two songs. Trainman 03:38, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, about the capitalization, it's actually Livin' In The Dark according to the booklet Smile thanks for reminding me anyway! Kleyguerth 03:53, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
You don't have to follow that capitalization any more than you'd have to put LIVIN' IN THE DARK if the booklet happened to list the song titles in all-caps -- we're about clarity here, not necessarily attempting to follow the typography of whoever designed the CD booklet. (There are many CD booklets that have song lyrics in all caps, or written as one run-on sentence, or any number of other "creative" interpretations, and we don't present the lyrics here in any of those fashions -- or, at least, we shouldn't. We may have lyrics copied from other sites that have these issues.)
MusicBrainz used to have a good guide to title case in song titles, but I can't find it anymore now that their site's been redesigned. Trainman 04:16, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
As far punctuation and capitalization are concerned, I follow MusicBrainz guidance.
MusicBrainz is going through some changes but the last (old) guidance can still be found here (http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/History:Capitalization_Standard).
For punctuation, MusicBrainz (http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Recording_and_release_group_titles/Multiple_titles) suggests a "space, slash, space" delimiter (as opposed to a simple/single "slash") because it is clearer that phrases are being delimited (as opposed to single/simple words). While I agree that it is cleaner on the artist/album page to separate the songs, I think there is value in retaining the multiple song page as that is what the track is called and track names are often used to look up lyrics. Unfortunately, on LW, if this multiple title song page is not also linked to a page it will be considered an orphan and to avoid this it too must be linked. -- Rossetyler 06:18, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
I think I may have given some bad, or at least incomplete advice, so let me try to clarify:
If the track list (usually on the back of the CD) shows, let's say, "12. Better World/Livin' in the Dark," then they should be combined as one song here, [[Axxis:Better World/Living In The Dark|Better World/Living in the Dark]]. That would be true even if the lyrics listed them separately; for the credits on the song page, you could do something like...
  • "Better World" music and lyrics by Bob Axxis; "Livin' in the Dark" music by George Axxis, lyrics by Fred Axxis
If the track list shows only "12. Better World," but there's a second song on the same track -- usually after several minutes of silence -- and either the lyrics in the booklet or other sources (usually the second song won't be in the booklet) indicate the name of that second track is "Livin' in the Dark," then they should be separated into [[Axxis:Better World]] and [[Axxis:Living In The Dark|Living in the Dark]]. (If there are no indications of the name of the second track, then it would probably be best to just keep the lyrics for both parts on one page, rather than making up a title such as "Untitled" or "Bonus Track.")
Sorry I was unclear, but I was only thinking of the latter situation, since I've cleaned it up much more often than the former. Trainman 13:38, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
Oh well, the case is, the track list shows "1. Better World/Livin' In The Dark", and there's a separate album which contains "Better World" by itself, but no album with "Livin' In The Dark" by itself. Now I'm really confused on what to do. In any case, I guess Better World will have it's own page, since it was actually released as a single song (on an album that is not listed here on LW yet, I'll add it when I have the time) and you can even find it on iTunes and Amazon as a single song, but I don't know what to do with "Livin' In The Dark" anymore and with the combined page. Kleyguerth 23:59, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
My bad, there IS an album with "Livin' In The Dark", it's actually the same as "Better World", but it's named "Living In The Dark" so I couldn't ctrl+f it. So, separate pages? Kleyguerth 00:02, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been on vacation and haven't been back to this page -- yes, I'd say those should be separate pages (and the "Living In The Dark" page should be renamed/redirected to "Livin' In The Dark"). Trainman 02:43, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Inhibiting disambiguation "song" as being considered an orphan

Consider the [1] The_Kinks:Announcement and [2] John_Linnell:Processional song pages. Both were authored (by me, reflecting guidance given here) as disambiguation pages to resolve collisions in multiple same-named songs by the same artist. The first has been in place for a long time. The second was something authored recently. Neither should have a "home" on the artist page so, technically, I suppose, both might be considered "orphan" songs - although neither is a song page. However, LYRIC-Janitor seems to ignore the first (does _not_ force the artist page to adopt the orphan as an "other song") but not the second (does force the artist page to adopt the orphan as an "other song"). What can be done to make the second page to be considered as the first? -- Rossetyler 06:01, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The former isn't orphaned as it has several backlinks (though all of them redirects), the latter didn't. I've added {{WrongPage}} templates to the songs, linking to the disambig pages, so Janitor should leave them alone now. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
{{WrongPage}} templates were obviously the missing piece. Thanks for the advice and for cleaning things up! --Rossetyler 05:09, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

mamas & papas' monday monday ??

i do not understand what's happening here : http://lyrics.wikia.com/The_Mamas_%26_The_Papas:Monday,_Monday thanks in advance for some explanation Krn02 22:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The page was one of many created by GracenoteBot without any lyrics and protected, since we're not licensed to display the lyrics. LWChris later deleted all these placeholders and simply protected the pagenames instead. He explains the reasoning behind it here. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:06, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
thanks for your comment sixnine. what i do not get is: what's the difference between "monday monday" and all the other songs of the album If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears (1966). second question (because the concept is new for me: "license"): how do we know this song ("monday monday" or any song on any album) is licensed or not? Krn02 15:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
i read the chris' explanation (your link) about gracenote and i am still not sure to understand... gracenot is a company which distributes license to such websites like LW. gracenote has got a database where one can control what is licensed or not. gracenote is managing like that millions of songs. still: why "monday monday"? Krn02 15:27, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
I can't really tell, you'd have to ask the publishers. As far as I know, GN pays money to the publishers to display the lyrics, and we in turn pay money to GN. If the publishers forbid GN the use of some particular lyrics, GN (and, by extension, LW) is forced to take them down. Why some publishers do that, I've no idea. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:51, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Repeating lyrics

Looking at Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Songs (and after a recent edit to a page I'm watching), I see that explicitly adding repeated lyrics is preferred over indicating repeats. I do agree that placeholders like "CHORUS" are annoying, and for songs that repeat lyrics a little bit, it's fine IMO not to use repeat indicators, but some songs repeat lyrics a lot (e.g., Combichrist:Intruder_Alert). I'd say in cases like this, [x32] is much better than 32 lines of the same lyrics (especially when there are other sections of repeated lyrics - do we really want to see 96 lines of Intruder alert!?). There are also cases where a 4+ line chorus is repeated 4+ times without separation, which can really look like a mess.

Where is the line drawn? IAmTheClaw 10:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

It is true, there is a limit. That's why that page says that such notations "should be avoided" but aren't outright banned. If some line is repeated as in your example, then noting x32 is much better than a wall of the same text. I think there's historically been a reluctance to put a hard-and-fast rule to these situations, leaving this up to editors and if there's a conflict about it, to work it out on discussion pages...but if the notation would be in double-digits, it's likely a strong case for adding the notation. The main purpose of such a notation being to remove a huge wall of text that hinders the reading of the lyrics.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:08, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
I just put the repeated line once unless it rounds out a stanza to be the same length as others. The point is to record what the lyrics are, not how many times they're sung. --dirtyepic 08:05, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Album footer template page needs admin help

Hi all.
Just been to the Template:AlbumFooter page and noticed, that in parameters/musicbrainz the text still says
"Only use IDs for releases, not release-groups". If an admin has a minute to change that it would avoid confusion. Thanks. Darknite47 10:43, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I've updated the page. Thanks for the notice!
BTW, most template documentations are on unprotected subpages (accessible through the Documentation link at the top), so if you (or any other editor) come across any outdated or incorrect info, feel free to correct it! — 6×9 (Talk) 13:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks for the advice. - Darknite47 21:14, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lyrics to email

can i send lyrics to an e-mail address — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.140.108.236 (talk).

Sorry, I don't think you can, due to our Gracenote licensing -- same reason you can't right-click the lyrics to copy and paste. Trainman 20:46, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

correct wikipidia link

On Rufus_Wainwright:Rules_And_Regulations the automatic "search wikipedia for Rules and Regulations" bit in the footer sends one to a studio album by British grime group Roll Deep. Granted there is a redirect at the top of that wikipedia page, but is there some way to tell LyricWiki to go to wikipedia's "Rules and Regulations (song)" page? Thanks. Derekbd 11:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Done. The footer link is just meant to be a search link (the vast majority of songs won't have WP pages after all), it disappears when you link to an actual page with {{WP-Song}}. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Ah. Thanks mate. Derekbd 14:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Gold song ranking in spite of a "Red Link"

Can a song page be ranked gold if a featured video game creates a red link? Or should it be green instead? Song in question is Wish You Were Here by Incubus. User:Darknite47, 17:01, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I am quite certain that a red link doesn't prevent a song (or album) advancing. However, be sure to take the steps from Green to Bronze to Silver, before you can go Gold. See Song page ranking stars...Derekbd 01:08, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hometown: Worldwide/Internet

Tryad is a group that creates music over the internet, so they are acting worldwide. There doesn't appear to be a template for this. --Athaba 21:59, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about a similar matter for the group Chameleon Circuit--the members met over the internet/YouTube, and are from all over the UK, with one US member. --Savourtardis 05:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
How about "country = Multinational" or "International"? — 6×9 (Talk) 09:37, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Tightrope

Hi,

I think that Tightrope shouldn't redirect to the individual song that it does and probably should just be deleted. At the very least it should be a disambiguation page between the several songs named Tightrope that exist on the wiki. What's the policy on this? – Antt 11:41, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

We don't really have a policy for this sort of thing. There seems to be at least one band of this name, so I turned it into an artist page. Else I'd be inclined to agree that a disambig page would be preferable. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:35, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Huh I should have thought of looking for an actual artist! Thanks :) – Antt 11:55, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

User boxes

How do I use User Boxes, and how do I make my own User Boxes? -- Nitsuj77 22:44, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

You can add Userbox on a page by {{Userboxes/<some_name>}} e.g. {{Userboxes/Nothing}}. The available Userboxes are listed here Category:Userboxes. As for how to make your own see Help:Templates and LyricWiki:Userboxes. Nyoxi 02:29, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Song header for multi-part song

Is there a better way to place a header for a multi-part song without breaking the song numbering than this? Platypus:Ice Cycles (2000) -Darknite47 10:49, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Take a look now to possible altenative subtracks formating variants (1, 2); and feel free to revert, if you don't like them. --Senvaikis (talk) 14:42, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Move request from a too new user

Hi there, can an autoconfirmed user please move Dickies:Tricia Toyota to Dickies:(I'm stuck in a pagoda with) Tricia Toyota, please? Thanks, --Jcpotts 19:02, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, can Dickies:Tricia Toyota and The Dickies:(I'm Stuck In A Pagoda With) Tricia Toyota be merged? Thanks? --Jcpotts 19:14, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
DoneGreen Done. --Senvaikis (talk) 14:28, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Now, can The Dickies:Dawn Of The Dickies (1979) be renamed to "The Dickies:Dawn Of The Dickies (1980)", as well as The Dickies:Locked & Loaded (1994) to "The Dickies:Locked & Loaded (1990)"? TIA, --75.54.86.25 15:39, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Publishing problem

I've got a problem with editing or adding lyrics. When I click "publish" button nothing happened. The example coud be this page: http://lyrics.wikia.com/Grammatik but it refers to all wiki pages. Thanks for any help.

EDIT: I checked and this issue refers to Polish materials, lyrics, maybe because of polish signs (I can edit English lyrics). I really want to add some lyrics I can later download by MediaMonkey music manager and other people could do the same. I count on you! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommasodnm (talkcontribs), 00:34, 29 December 2011.

With "nothing happened", do you mean that after hitting the "publish" button you landed right back on the original page, or did you get an error message first, something like "This edit has been blocked by the spam filter"?
PS. Please sign your posts by adding ~~~~. Thanks! — 6×9 (Talk) 11:09, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Same title, same lyrics, same album. Same song?

I'm working on what I can for the group Anonymous 4, specifically their album 11,000 Virgins. Three tracks on that album, all called "Benedicamaus domino," have the same (few) lyrics; the first two have pages on AllMusic, with different numbers (AllMusic seems to have gotten confused about the track listing, with the result that the third appearance seems to have been lopped off).

I have confirmed that the exact same lyrics are used in all three, both in the liner notes and on the CD itself, the tune itself being a little different. What's the best way to handle this? TheLoopweaver 17:45, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

What I would probably do is create 3 separate pages, titled Anonymous 4:Benedicamaus Domino 1 through Anonymous 4:Benedicamaus Domino 3. The links, though, can look identical: [[Anonymous 4:Benedicamaus Domino 1|Benedicamaus domino]] and [[Anonymous 4:Benedicamaus Domino 3|Benedicamaus domino]]. The reason for separating them would be, for example, if they put out a "greatest hits" album later that only contains one of the three, or if one of the three versions gets covered by another artist. Trainman 03:55, January 25, 2012 (UTC)