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remove "Album by various artists."

Hi i create a page the for album "A Turtle's Dream" by Abbey Lincoln. And i don't arrive to change the line "Album by various artists" for "Album by Abbey Lincoln". I tried several times from crash. And nothing change. Please could you tell me where i make it wrong anf help to correct this problem.
regards
Ikiphoenix 16:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, for the inconvenient, i find the pb. I didn't follow the policy rules for the page name. sorry for that. Now i have and another pb, how i can delete the page i created previously (http://lyricwiki.org/A_Turtle%27s_Dream_(1994)).
regards
Ikiphoenix 16:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

translated songs

Please see this song. Should translations be kept? The artist never sang it in Croatian! Someone marked it for deletion but someone else reverted it. Should we only have the songs as they were sung?  Talk  Chromana   11:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The page should be kept, definitely. We also have a lot of translations of non-English songs into English – it would be unfair not to allow the reverse! (There was a lengthy discussion on the C.P. recently, but most of it revolved around the colour of the template…) — 6×9 (Talk) 21:18, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've also seen a translation on the same page as the actual song. Is a separate page for the translation more desirable?  Talk  Chromana   22:14, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes. Though I see that the help page still shows the old format (side-by-side on same page) and needs to be updated. You reading this, Red? The problem with keeping translations on the same page is that, if there are several, the page could get pretty large and cumbersome. — 6×9 (Talk) 22:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, the multiple language help page only talks about linking the translations when they were actually released by the artist. It says nothing about translations just for the interest of the people who speak it. Perhaps a badge or note should be made on such pages stating that the song was never actually released in that language. This is getting complicated :-S  Talk  Chromana   22:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed :-) That's why we decided to remodel the whole thing:
  1. Songs released in several languages:
    • old format – append "/language-code" to pagename for other languages
    • new format – use actual song title if different from original; if identical, append " (Language)"
  2. Songs translated by users:
    • old format – put on same page in a column next to original lyrics (obviously this only works for one translation)
    • new format – put on a new page with "/language-code" appended to original pagename
I hope that made it a bit clearer! — 6×9 (Talk) 00:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Redirect Hell with Emmylou Harris Pancho & Lefty

I seem to have gotten into redirect hell with Emmylou Harris's version of Pancho & Lefty.

The correct tile is Pancho & Lefty but this seems to be a redirect to "Pancho and Lefty" which is incorrect.

Another variant is "Poncho and Lefty" which is also incorrect.

If someone could 1) make sure that Poncho and Lefty, Poncho & Lefty, Pancho and Lefty would all redirect to "Pancho & Lefty" and 2) provide me with an editable page for the correct title "Pancho & Lefty" I will make sure the lyrics are updated.

Thanks,

Steve 16:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

The best you can do in these cases is to copy the content from Wrong Page over to Correct Page (replacing the redirect) and then turn Wrong Page into a redirect. (You can get back from the target page to the redirect page by clicking the "(Redirected from …)" link below the title bar.) — 6×9 (Talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Great - thanks! Could this be added to the FAQ? Steve 17:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Added. Fourth topic from the top. Make sure to check it out again in a few days, after Redxx is done with rewriting it several times :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 18:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Moving Feature

Are there regulations such as how long an account has to be created (or "alive"), or how many edits an account has to have before the move feature becomes available on pages because I don't see it on pages yet. Thanks! --Rockme2 22:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Due to the high amount of vandalism attempts on this site, especially with move vandalisms (for example, see Special:Contributions/Coolusername), users have to be auto-confirmed before they can move pages. The qualifications for this level are not public, though, in order to ensure that accounts are not created for the purpose of doing the minimum to become auto-confirmed. Just keep adding useful edits and you'll eventually get it. --WillMak050389 00:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Alrighty, thanks for that information! --Rockme2 01:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing e-mail from history

Hello, I would like some sysadmin with the proper privileges to delete earlier revisions of my talk page where my e-mail is visible. The revisions I'm talking about are everyone except the current one, dated a couple of minutes ago. I appreciate any help with this matter, I'm not a frequent visitor but hopefully this will get through anyway. Regards Notwist 22:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It's always good to remember that on a wiki, everything is recorded for all time. However, I have deleted your User page (which was the page with the e-mail), and have recreated it. This starts a new page history. The old page history is now only viewable by admins. Hope this helps.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Alan Parsons Blue Blue Sky issues

"Blue Blue Sky" appears (accurately) as both the first and last track on the album On Air, with (also accurately) additional lyrics in the second version.

Where I'm having a problem is in the track titles. On the album there is actually no difference in the titles, and automated gizmos (Gimme Some Tune, Get Lyrical, etc.) are not finding the lyrics as "Blue Blue Sky (Part 1)" and "Blue Blue Sky (Part 2)" because of this. I'm not sure what effect making both titles the same would have though, in terms of both machine and human confusion. Please go gentle on me, I'm new here... ;-) ...can someone more experienced come up with a useful solution, or is this one of those things where reality just can't be fit neatly into the data boxes? Thanks in advance! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lunalass (talkcontribs), 03:12, 25 August 2009.

Hi Lunalass,
Yes I'm afraid so, this is one of those situations that doesn't fit neatly into a box. Like Wikipedia, if a page on LyricWiki would otherwise have the same name, a disambiguation phrase must be added to the end. In this case it has been decided to be (Part 1) and (Part 2). I have however added some templates to help resolve any confusion over this. See Alan Parsons:Blue Blue Sky.  Яєdxx Actions Words 10:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC) P.S: Please sign your posts by placing ~~~~ at the end of your posts.

Okay, Confused, confused, confused

We want to be responsible for watching over the Wedlock page, which is the band from Chapel Hill,US. "Black Sundress" is the name of their latest single, but the link is in red. I can't even seem to find where to print the lyrics anywhere. Also, they have a new release, entitled "Continuity." We have the photo for it, and etc, but where do you begin?

It seems so simple, but the formatting is a little confusing. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grey Vireo (talkcontribs), 12:01, 28 August 2009.

Anytime you want to add lyrics to a song that has a red link, just click on the link. A page should open up where you can add the lyrics (between the <lyric> tags.) All the required templates are there for you, just fill out whatever information you can. Help:Contents/Getting Started/Creating A New Page can help you further.
As for uploading the picture, see Help:Contents/Uploading Content/Album Covers for info. If you still have questions after looking at those pages, I or someone else will be around.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Invalid tags and interwiki links

When I went to edit Anime:Gundam SEED, I was shown these error messages:

  • Invalid tag extension name: noinclude
  • Invalid tag extension name: includeonly

But as mentioned below, the tags seems to work.

Also since the anime songboxes are also included on the song pages, I checked T.M.Revolution:Invoke and found a different error:

  • {{:Anime:Gundam SEED}} is included correctly when you are previewing the page (the noincludes are working at least since the Wikipedia box isn't shown).
  • But you get the error [Template fetch failed for http://en.anime.wikia.com/wiki/Gundam_SEED?action=render] on the normal page.

The include link seems to be interpreted as an interwiki link. --LYRIC-Pauline 11:08, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Looks like we can't have two noinclude blocks next to each other on a page – fortunately it's not necessary anyway, since they can be merged into one block. (Two blocks in different parts of a page still appear to work.)
Interwiki links have been disabled, because they messed things up for many artists; you probably saw an old cached version of the page, because now it's included correctly. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:30, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
The solution was that simple? The error messages made it seem much worse.
I checked the song page and the template error is gone, but the code in the includeonly tags are not included. The song box should be collapsed (on the song page) because of how much space it takes, but there isn't even an option to collapse it. It could be another caching issue, so it might solve itself. --LYRIC-Pauline 11:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure you have scripting enabled in your browser? Because what you describe is what I see when I turn it off; otherwise the box is collapsed with a "[show]" link to the right. (I doubt it's the includeonly tags, because they do their thing before the browser even sees the page.) — 6×9 (Talk) 12:04, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I found the problem. It was not my browser, but the default skin used for this wiki. The MonoBook skin (Wikipedia), for example, have the javascript code for collapsable boxes, but not Monaco Sapphire (the default skin). I guess you are using a skin that have the needed code. --LYRIC-Pauline 13:54, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Yep, first thing I did right after the move was switch back to monobook :-) Maybe the relevant code should be moved from monobook.js to common.js, but I'll leave that to someone who's familiar with javascript… — 6×9 (Talk) 14:18, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Migration problem?

I can't log into my old account, which means all the songs I contributed are no longer on any "watchlist" and I can't possibly remember them all and go re-add them. Am I screwed? 99.244.225.199 19:23, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

My apologies for the confusion. During the move to Wikia, many of the account names were changed. This was due to Wikia having global User accounts. That means that the name that is used on LyricWiki is the same as on Lostpedia, Wookieepedia, and all of the other Wikia family of wikis. If a User name was already used in the Wikia world of wikis, then the LyricWiki User name was changed out of necessity. Sometimes, "LYRIC-" was just added to the front of the name. (In my case, "Kiefer" became "LYRIC-Kiefer".) Often, however, the name was completely changed (I'm not sure why) and "LYRIC-" and added to the front. So your name could have changed to "LYRIC-Arapaho", "LYRIC-Syzygy", etc. You can do a little detective work to discover what your User name was changed to during the site migration, however. Look at the history of a page that you remember editing, and compare changes until you find an edit that you remember making. Then try to sign-in under that User name. If you would like this new name changed (and most do), then add your requested name change to the list at User talk:KyleH/renames. If you have any other problems or questions, please let me know.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   22:51, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

My old contributions are for some reason credited to LYRIC-Toudidel. However, the contributions listing also has contributions that I didn't make. I can't log in as LYRIC-Toudidel so there's something wrong. Onlycrazy! 10:13, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

As Kiefer has said above, add your name to this list. Your contributions will get sorted along with your username.  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:47, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Special:CreatePage

I tried it at Firefox and Google Chrome but no template comes up when I click one of them. I tried writing the title before and after clicking the artist template but nothing happens. After clicking preview with a title I get the message Article text required. Does it happen to me only? Titaki 11:37, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't work for me, either (even with scripts fully enabled). However I'm sure it once did some time ago (I remember clicking on the buttons with fascination several times^^) - Chris 09:40, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Blech, yeah... doesn't look like the templates work with Special:CreatePage. I don't think that special page existed when we created the extension... it does still work for normal not-yet-existant pages though (like you get when you click a redlink). For example This Is Not A Real Artist and This Is Not:A Song We Have should give artist and song templates respectively.
Guess we'll have to update the extension to work on Special:CreatePage too :/ adding it to my bug list...
-Sean Colombo 20:12, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
But why did it work then some time ago? Or were these awesome red buttons once displayed on usual pages as well (uhm yeah, I like them a lot, I think the're pretty cool looking and stylish) - Chris 18:33, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
To set up the templates used by Special:CreatePage look at Help:CreatePlates. This is the Wikia way of using templates when creating pages, I believe. It may be that the old LyricWiki had an extension or some non-standard way of putting templates in new pages, but the extension wasn't moved over. I'll see if I can find out more. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:16 PM PST 11 Nov 2009
The forum is cool, but it should be renamed into Forum:Help Desk - Chris 23:15, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
Since it's not in use, I'll move it to Forum:Help Desk. I was just using the default name. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:58 PM PST 11 Nov 2009
We already have a Help Desk right here at LyricWiki:Help Desk. Two is much too confusing. I will redirect.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:22, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
The extension was moved over, but it was written to use MediaWiki hooks that apparently are called when we use red-links but not on the Special:CreatePage. So to answer LWChris's question: I don't think it did work some time ago... I think that since we didn't have a Create Page button, the usual way to create a page before was to use red-links or to just enter the title into the address bar and go to a page directly. It still works for those cases, but it appears people are using Special:CreatePage quite a bit now.
-Sean Colombo 01:58, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Ya, for new users it's much easier to use the Special:CreatePage. Often times you will find band/song names that are similar to the one you are looking for, but there is no red link for the specific term you enter.--Anthonzi 01:41, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Right click

I can't seem to right click most things on the LyricsWiki, but I can on others, anyone have an idea as to what's causing this? Revrant 14:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

This is caused by a script disabling right-clicking on song-pages to protect the lyrics from being copied. You cannot mark any text either. However this script is just included for song-pages, that's why you're still able to copy/paste on talk-pages f. e. - Chris 09:16, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

' vs. ’

Hello, I've been working on Birdman, and there are many songs existing twice or missing but submitted with only a slightly different title. The problem I've got:

The songs are like You Ain’t Know vs. You Ain't Know.

Which one is correct? ’ or '? (To make the difference visible a bit better than now, I'll post these in true-type from now on: vs. ')

A problem could be that German keyboards don't even have this character, just a ´, but this is a French accent and just taken by people who haven't found out about the ' yet. Which one is to redirect to the other? My favourite would be to redirect to '. - Chris 09:33, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

We use the apostrophe (the ')... this removes a lot of encoding problems & makes it easier for everyone.
Thanks for bringing it up
-Sean Colombo 20:13, November 8, 2009 (UTC

W namespace should be alias to Wikia namespace

I don't think the migration has finished yet: the 'W' namespace, in effect on just about every other wiki in the Wikia family, should be an alias to the 'Wikia' namespace. For example, W:c:help should automatically follow the same link as Wikia:c:help, which is to http://help.wikia.com/wiki/. This example was actually taken from the editing tips area to the left of editing any page on the wiki. --Geopgeop 23:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Because there is an Artist page on LyricWiki at W, this shortcut is not available to us. Therefore "Wikia" has to be used while on this wiki.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:54, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, so we can't use that shortcut directly... but how about just for this one that this becomes a (soft?) redirect so that the red link to that help page gets fixed? I'm pretty sure the Japanese artist group W will not make an album or song named c:help, right? In fact, I'll just create this redirect now, revert me otherwise. --Geopgeop 13:11, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Bulk import?

I've got Wiki formatted the data for ~130 songs. What's the best way to upload them - is there a bulk import facility? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShaheedHaque (talkcontribs).

Unfortunately, there isn't a quick and easy way to upload a bunch of pages all at once. If there were, then there would be those that would abuse the tool in order to slap a bunch of junk on the site that doesn't belong. The best way would be to create the links to the songs on the Artist's page and then open those red links up and fill them in. Best wishes. (Also, use the four tildes "~~~~" to sign your messages.  :-] It makes things easier to keep track of and to know who's "talking.")    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   01:40, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest asking someone with a (working) bot if they want to do this. It's quite possible that they could do it simply. Try Man-Machine, Lwt or the LyricWiki:Bot Portal LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 03:57, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
Sadly, the structure of the source website in incompatible with typical bot behaviour (i.e. all lyrics on two HTML pages). I'll think about this a little more, but may have to resort to the manual approach. ShaheedHaque 22:20, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
But if you have all of the songs in wikitext, a bot could easily - with a little tweak - load that wikitext and create new pages with it. LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 03:03, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
I've got a bot which LOVES to import wiki pages. It makes him happy! :) Do you think you could send it over to me as a zip file... would that work for you? I could make sure he attribs you in the "Summary" field, but it would still end up going through his account. My email address is my first name at lyricwiki.org. Let me know if that works for you.
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo 04:33, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
There's another possibility, enabling import 'on behalf of' the actual lyrics owner. As you know, Lwt isn't really a bot - it's a 'cyborg', or just a programm, able to run under any account. So, if you gave him your account password (temporary changed, of course), authorship of all imported pages would be granted to your account without any strain. Regards, --Senvaikis (talk) 09:50, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

captcha "bug"

« Your edit includes new external links. » No it doesn't. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.231.136.9 (talkcontribs).

Okay. Not really much to go on. What were you doing? (Also, sign your posts with 4 tildes, please. (~~~~))    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:04, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
According to his/her contribs (s)he corrected a typo in Shakira:Whenever, Wherever, an article without any external link except for the ones created by SongFooter, which weren't affected by the edit. - Chris 12:49, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

What is a LP?

Hello,

I have read in the help that albums and LPs must have their tracks listed in artist's page, but singles only should have a link to their page (where the tracks of the single will be listed).

Ok, I understand it, but I don't know the difference between a single and a LP.

I've seen albums with 3 songs named as singles as well as another ones with 2 songs named as LPs. In Wikipedia there is not a specific difference neither...

Is there any criterion took by LirycWiki to determine what a LP is?

Thanks

Puck2099 23:27, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

We don't really have a hard-and-fast rule as to what constitutes an LP. In the traditional sense, it's a "Long-Playing" album, which means that it has an entire 33 1/3 album's worth of songs. Around 40-50 minutes, generally. (Now in the land of the CD, it can be much longer.) An EP (Extended Play) album usually has 4-6 songs, and runs a little shorter. A single (at least in the modern sense) contains a release from an LP meant to play on the radio or wherever. So, Lady Gaga's LP album is The Fame, but she had Poker Face as a single release from that LP. Singles generally do not contain new material, except for variations or remixes of previously-released tracks. This is why it is preferred that only a link to the Single is given (under a "Singles" header after the main album discography), as opposed to giving the single's tracklist on the Artist page.
I haven't seen any 2-song LPs, so that has me a bit curious. I know Iron Butterfly has their album Iron Butterfly:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (1968) which had one side entirely taken up by a song, but the other side has 5 tracks. I'd love to know what LP has 2 songs, just for the sake of fun trivia knowledge.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:03, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I wrote this too late in the night, when I said LP I wanted to say EP to difference them from singles. For example, if you see Beto Vázquez Infinity you will see that Beto Vázquez Infinity:Battle Of Valmourt (2001) is considered an EP (also in Wikipedia) although it only has 2 songs, but for example Tarja:Enough (2009) is considered a single (and their 3 songs don't appears in any other album from her).
I wanted to edit Nightwish page to group their singles and remove singles playlist, but I don't know what to consider a single or a EP (maybe 3+ songs?)... Puck2099 07:16, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
EPs usually have new songs, Singles do not. When in doubt, use Wikipedia as a reference as to what is an EP and what is a Single. They're usually categorized on the artist's discography page/section.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:40, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

What to do with compilations / live albums?

Hello,

I'm reading all the help, but I think there are some things a bit subjectives.

For example, reading the following: "Please avoid over inflating artist pages by unnecessarily listing compilation albums, e.g. Greatest Hits, Best Of, etc. ", should I remove tracks for compilations albums in the artist page and add a link to the albums themself in a "Compilations" section like we should do with singles?

What happens with live albums? I suppose they are compilations also, so we should apply the same criteria than with compilations, right?

Maybe creating a "Compilations / Live albums" section in the artist page?

I would like to be sure before doing any wrong change that could upset someone for editing its work.

Sorry if my English is not as good as I would like.

Regards

Puck2099 21:15, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

It is a bit subjective, because each editor needs to use their best judgment in some instances. (Believe me, in the past there have been some rough arguments trying to nail things down on topics such as these. There are just always some sort of exception to the rule that pops up.) Do what you think is best. If a compilation or a live album is a major release by the band and their label (as opposed to licensed to a small press publisher for the purposes of creating a "Best Of" collection 10 or more years after they were popular), then likely it should be listed. If someone else disagrees, then they'll change it later. That's the joy of a wiki.  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:40, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

More on right click disable script

I've noticed that when LyricWiki was upgraded/merged with wikia the script to prevent selection or copying of lyrics was implemented.

I think this is crippling this site and if someone wants to copy these lyrics to another site they will easily find a way, for example clicking the 'edit' button. This just makes my favourite lyric website annoying to use eg. when wanting to select and only print the lyrics and not the entire page. I believe that this restriction will only drive new users away to other sites that don't have these annoying restrictions.

Does anyone agree?

Benjamin 04:10, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of how ill-informed and/or counter-productive it may be to have these scripts in place, unfortunately it's not a decision that the community nor Wikia currently gets to make. It is a requirement of the licensing agreement through Gracenote. Hopefully in the future we will be able to renegotiate so that we can fix these broken features. Sorry :(
-Sean Colombo 04:24, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Extra |pipes| interfering with templates

I've got links to outside sources that I'd like to include in some song footers ala 'download', but they have | pipes in them which mess up the link. Is there any tidy way around this? I've resorted to inserting the link just above the SongFooter, but I doubt that's ideal. Korbine 20:11, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

You could try replacing the pipe in the URL with either {{!}} (though I doubt that'll work in this case) or with %7C (which should work). — 6×9 (Talk) 20:23, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
Either appear to work, actually! Thanks. Korbine 20:30, December 26, 2009 (UTC)