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Help with Anime Song boxes? Edit

Is there a help page on anime song boxes? I've looked on a few of them but don't seem to be able to figure out how they are supposed to be done at all... Kyoudou (talk) 13:31, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Am I Allowed To Certify?Edit

Whenever I upload a song, I listen to the recording to make sure that the lyrics are right. But I don't know whether you need to have special permission to certify a song. I also don't know if you're allowed to certify lyrics that I have, myself, uploaded.

Also, is it just the administrators/bureaucrats who have permission to change page rankings? --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:19, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Anybody with an account can certify any lyrics, and as long as they follow the guidelines, anybody can change the page rankings too. Hope this helps! - OneTwoThreeFall (talk) 10:36, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! One more question: I can't work out what the 'audio status is' bit means on the 'page ranking info'. I can't find an explanation of this in the help. I assume that the 'video status' is whether there's an embedded YouTube video. --RWDCollinson (talk) 12:54, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
No problem! I'm not sure if it's explicitly mentioned in the help pages yet (it's lightly implied here), but the audio status requires either the GoEar or Spotify parameter to be added for that song, and yes, video is for YouTube. - OneTwoThreeFall (talk) 13:54, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Cover Template Not WorkingEdit

I've already mentioned this on the 'Report A Problem' page, but this page seems to be monitored more frequently and it seems like a pretty serious problem (at least if it's affecting anybody else). The cover template seems to have become corrupt in some way, and is generating half a page of nonsense above the lyrics whenever it's present. --RWDCollinson (talk) 12:10, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Now that is an issue. 6 is the admin who deals with all the templates and stuff, and we're about to do an overhaul of {{Song}}, so it may be something to do with that. I'll leave a message on the admin portal about it, but in the mean time you'll just have to avoid using {{Cover}} for now. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 13:21, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. But this also means I need to avoiding editing any page which already has the cover tag. Is this affecting you in the same way? --RWDCollinson (talk) 14:19, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Yes this is affecting me. If you need to edit a page with the Cover template, just comment it out using <!-- [COVER TEMPLATE HERE] -->. Hopefully 6 comes online soon, as he should hopefully know what to do. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 14:22, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, was @ work until now. I've restored {{Cover}} & am currently touching all pages using it; might take a while though since there are over 30,000. In the meantime, if you see a corrupted page, hitting "edit" and saving without changing anything should fix it. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:56, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

iTunes and Spotify IDsEdit

This is probably a really obvious question, but what's the easiest way of finding out a song's iTunes ID? It's in the URL for artists and albums, but I don't know where to look for individual songs.

Also, is the way of finding out the Spotify ID without having a Spotify account? --RWDCollinson (talk) 16:06, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

For iTunes song ID's, use the linkmaker and search for the song.
For Spotify, you can try Google searching the song name with the word "track", and the link will probably appear in the search results. Otherwise you'll need an account (which is free), or ask someone who does have an account, like me (if we do it like that, I can set up a subpage for you to list songs you need Spotify IDs for). Hope this helps - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 16:13, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, very helpful! I signed-up to a Spotify account and the songs in the following album are greyed-out and I can't find them on Google; does that mean that they're not available yet?
https://play.spotify.com/album/6favFONRl7htYD8M7Khhcm
--RWDCollinson (talk) 09:33, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
Basically, yes. Possible reasons:
  • Some albums are regional locked and aren't accessible from every country (Brave New World...)
  • Users can create playlists in Spotify, which might include local files on their computers of
  • Songs, which aren't yet available at Spotify at all
    There is an option in the settings menu to hide unavailable songs. --Fassbrause (talk) 12:36, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, it looks like they aren't available, at least in the UK. You can still get the Spotify IDs from them however, so some people can get some use out of it. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 12:53, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Collaborations & Additional AlbumsEdit

I'm trying to change Stevie Nicks:Leather And Lace to Stevie Nicks & Don Henley:Leather And Lace, as it is a duet. I have correctly filled out the collaboration template, but this has broken the 'additional albums', as they're all looking for albums by Stevie Nicks & Don Henley rather than Stevie Nicks. Is there a way around this? --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:08, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I found the answer on the page for the template! --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:31, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Incomplete lyrics Edit

I'm having trouble deciphering the lyrics to a song. I've completed approx. 90% but can't comprehend the rest. I searched the internet but can't find the lyrics elsewhere. Should I abandon the song or publish what I have managed to transcribe? I've tried the help pages here for an answer but can't find one. --Rupples (talk) 15:01, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

You can put up what you have and add the {{partial}} template to the page. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:04, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. --Rupples (talk) 15:12, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Broken Editing BoxEdit

Is it just me, or is the editing screen broken? Even as I type this, the screen is strangely doubled up, an extra and redundant scroll-bar and a much compressed editing space. The highlighting colours are messed-up. That's not a terribly articulate description, but if anybody else is suffering from this, you'll know what I mean. It's been like this all day--RWDCollinson (talk) 14:50, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's not just you. I've notified wikia staff; let's hope they fix it soon. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:16, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Song Released Only On Music Video/B-Side SinglesEdit

What's the right format to use for a song which appeared only on a music video, or only as the B-side of a single? Should singles with an A and a B side be counted as albums?

I'm currently trying to work out how to categorise and fill out the header for Tim McGraw:The Ride, which was released only as a double-song video alongside 'Real Good Man' by the same artist. Wikipedia explains this here Wikipedia16. --RWDCollinson (talk) 13:59, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Singles with unique B-sides count as albums if that's the only release the B-side appears on (even if it was only a unique A-side, it should still count). However, seeing as "The Ride" does not appear on any public release (only radio singles), it should go under its own heading on artist page, such as "Non-Album Songs". - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 15:19, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, that's really helpful. Does that even apply to singles that (now moving forward in time a bit) were released only digitally? --RWDCollinson (talk) 09:13, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Correct. If a song was single-only (either digital or physical), create the single page. Examples of that are here, here, and here. Of course, if the song gets confirmed as part of an album later, then it can be deleted. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)01:33, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Guidance on adding embedded videosEdit

I'm look for guidance on adding embedded videos to articles. If a song doesn't have a music video (official or live), should an audio 'video' be embedded? If so, does that count as 'video' for the talk page? Also, what if one runs into an official video that isn't on the artist's official YouTube page? Is that legal? --RWDCollinson (talk) 11:29, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Looksharp (talk) 23:36, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know of any particular guidelines re. what sort of videos to use, but I can't see any issue with using an audio-only video where a visual video (music video/live performance) isn't available. Not too sure what you mean by "legal" YouTube video - if you're meaning copyright issues/royalties, that's generally handled by YouTube so even non-official videos give the artist + publisher royalties/ad revenues, as far as I know... Hope this helps a little, OneTwoThreeFall (talk) 17:28, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
If a song doesn't have a music video, then yeah, an audio video is fine, and it counts as a video on the talk page. Don't worry about any videos being "legal" or not - if they weren't legal, YouTube would take them down. However, I usually don't add videos of live performances to song pages simply because they don't always follow the studio version lyrics. That's just my preference, though. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)01:35, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
A lot of the ones I use are audio only, have a # sign before the artist, and read underneath the video "Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group North America." Sounds official. And of course, Vevo. I use others, but mainly these.
Looksharp (talk) 23:36, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Non-roman fLetter Edit

I'd like to point out that the fact that the documentation indicates to specify the language of the character for non-roman fLetters seems problematic to me.

For instance, if a song had for title "人 and mice", would the fLetter be "Chinese" (as in Chinese script)? If so, a Japanese song named "人間" should also have "Chinese" for fLetter.

Basically, I think "language of the character" should be "script of the character", but a lot of songs/albums would need to have their fLetter changed Idlusen (talk) 17:27, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Unreleased soundtracks Edit

I'd like to add the lyrics to some songs composed for the movie Idiots and Angels, which has its soundtrack referenced on IMDB. I can't however find any release, while Help:Soundtracks seems to imply this is a prerequisite. How to proceed? Idlusen (talk) 14:17, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

If there's no official soundtrack release you can always create a List page at LyricWiki:Lists/PAGENAME or list the songs at respective artist's pages under a "Songs on Soundtracks" subsection. Hth  · Lichtweber talk service  19:50, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

CaptchaEdit

Today, I keep being told to go through a ReCaptcha exercise whenever I posted 'external links' (ie, pretty much anything in a page footer), as though I wasn't logged in.

Is anybody else having this problem? --RWDCollinson (talk) 15:04, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Started today.
Looksharp (talk) 23:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Has anyone complained to Wikia about this? This is a pretty major impediment to editing. --RWDCollinson (talk) 11:19, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
Does it still happen to you? I never had the problem to begin with though and can't help. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:38, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
No. For me it lasted only a day.
Looksharp (talk) 00:00, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

punctuation in article titleEdit

Please see http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Shop_Boys:'Pazzo!' (and the song is listed as such on the artist and album pages.) The song title is italicized on the cd cover and in the booklet. Is an apostrophe a replacement for italics? Can't the lyric entry be listed as simply Pazzo! ? Picky detail but might be worth knowing for future oddness. Cheers. derekbd (talk) 17:44, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Italics is formatting, like font color, and therefore not to be reproduced in the pagename. Whether to italicize the track listing on album & artist page is a different matter… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:56, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing with redirect. derekbd (talk) 19:09, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Track list on artist page with a few songs in the album Edit

In Martina Stoessel:Tini (2016), Jorge Blanco sings one song alone and two together with Martina Stoessel. How should this be listed on his artist page (which is yet to be created)? nyuszika7h (talk) 09:32, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

I made edits to the page in question. Hope that answers your question :) - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 15:08, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
@Patzilla777: Thanks for the corrections on the album page, but I was talking about Jorge Blanco's page, I'm not sure how to list it there. I'll create it to show you what I had in mind and you can correct that if needed. nyuszika7h (talk) 15:55, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
I made some edits to his page now. I'm not 100% sure that's the best way, but it makes it clearer that it's not his album. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 16:05, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect lyrics (different song?) Edit

The lyrics for Los Auténticos Decadentes:Corazón are definitely wrong, it might be a different song. You can see the song for yourself here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_75dDUgMN7c. – nyuszika7h (talk) 18:28, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

That appears to be Carole King's song (also has a cover by Titan), and it has many duplicates:
The one by Los Auténticos Decadentes is completely different though so that page should probably be deleted for now unless someone can add the correct lyrics before that. (I'm not that good at Spanish, the ones I added are from official subtitles/lyric videos.) – nyuszika7h (talk) 18:36, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
The lyrics are updated, I made the transcription and I also added the Youtube link. ~Steffy13~ > talk > contribs 19:17, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! nyuszika7h (talk) 19:28, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Asterisks & The Cover TemplateEdit

I just noticed on Amy Vachal:Bye Bye Bye that the appearance of an asterisk in the name of the band *NSYNC has disrupted the cover template. Is there any way of fixing this, or should I just remove the asterisk and let it work through the redirect? --RWDCollinson (talk) 11:00, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks for the notice. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:49, May 14, 2016 (UTC)

Need help with lyrics Edit

There is a line that's unclear in Leonardo Cecchi & Beatrice Vendramin:Unbelievable: "You know that you ... fall down but you stand up" – I wrote something there but I'm not sure about it. I've uploaded a short clip here. If anyone could help with that, I'd appreciate it. – nyuszika7h (talk) 14:09, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds to me like "...you've grown up and you fall...". — 6×9 (Talk) 14:15, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, that makes sense, why didn't I think of that... nyuszika7h (talk) 14:17, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Multiple languages, (partially) different artists Edit

The song Leonardo Cecchi & Beatrice Vendramin:Incredibile also has an English version, but I just realized that one (Leonardo Cecchi, Eleonora Gaggero, Beatrice Vendramin, Saul Nanni & Federico Russo:Unbelievable) is sung by all the main cast members, per both iTunes and the music video. Is there a way to make Template:MultipleLanguages display correctly in this case?

Not at the moment, sorry - a replacement template has been discussed, but I haven't gotten around to working on it yet. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 22:43, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

2nd Pic in Artist Header? Edit

In the 'Artist Header' of Lethian Dreams, Pic is just the band logo. is it possible to add a pic with the band members also in the Artist Header? --Weha (talk) 08:10, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

done. Logo pic didn't conform Lw policy requirements for images, thus has been deleted and replaced by band photo. See also other changes maden, and according info on our help (removed redundant releases, retitled/redirected pages, reuploaded album art images, formatting etc). --Senvaikis (talk) 10:27, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, have seen the edits. Will use it for reference. Understand the redundancy issue. Removed the album from song headers and just mentioned it as trivia. --Weha (talk) 10:41, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Remix with exact same lyrics Edit

Should I create a page (or a redirect) for a remix that has the exact same lyrics as the original version? nyuszika7h (talk) 09:20, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

A redirect should be created in this instance. Remixes with identical lyrics do not need their own pages. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 11:15, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Simultaneous but different choruses? Edit

Several songs I'm trying to edit have the two artists each singing a different chorus at the same time. How should I format the lyrics so I can include each one's lines without confusion? - HawkofYggdrasil (talk) 06:09, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

That's not documented in any form of strict rules, but in most cases you may try to distinguish choruses by enclosing one of them in brackets, as it has been done here. hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 08:20, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
As above; alternatively, some pages simply put one after the other, and someone listening to the song would be able to tell that they're sung at the same time. One method I've tried is here - when they sing different lines at the same time, I put them on the same line separated by a slash. However, that's certainly not the most readable, and most admins prefer a minimum of vocalist notations. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 19:38, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

New version of album with existing songs plus a bonus track Edit

They released a Spanish version of Martina Stoessel:Tini (2016), containing the Spanish songs from the two discs of the original album, and a bonus track Martina Stoessel:Siempre Brillarás (Spanish/English Version). How should this be handled on the wiki? nyuszika7h (talk) 09:52, July 1, 2016 (UTC)

The tracklist can be added to the same album page, like this. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:49, July 1, 2016 (UTC)

Alternative edition ASIN Edit

Here is the deluxe version of Lodovica Comello:Universo (2013) on Amazon, is it possible to add this to the page? https://www.amazon.com/Universo-Deluxe-LODOVICA-COMELLO/dp/B00G9JNI5Knyuszika7h (talk) 17:07, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

A little help needed with lyrics Edit

In College 11:Diamond Eyes, on the line "In everything they say", I think that's not exactly what they say, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to be, could someone help with that? Here is the relevant part. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:40, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

I think that sounds right, they probably just added the "d" sound to make it easier to sing. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 20:46, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Need help with a part of lyrics Edit

I'm not sure what she says at the end of the first verse in Olivia Holt:History, does anyone have an idea about that? nyuszika7h (talk) 09:36, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

I added something but if someone thinks it's something else, feel free to edit. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:04, July 15, 2016 (UTC)
I would think it's "Here goes letting your hair down", could be something else though. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 17:40, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

To what 'album' do I attribute a single only release?Edit

I'm sure I could find it on a compilation somewhere, but then I'd have to add the rest of the compilation and life's probably too short. I automatically just put 'single' in the album slot because that's what you do when you're filling out copyright forms, but is that what you do on here? I haven't been able to find an example I can copy.--Deke42 (talk) 15:34, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Deke42: If it's on an album/compilation, you can add it, you aren't required to create the page for it. Otherwise, create an album page for the single under Artist:Title (YYYY) with only one track which is that song, and |type=single in the {{AlbumHeader}}. – nyuszika7h (talk) 18:26, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Artist unknown for OST Edit

I'm planning to create Code Lyoko Featuring Subdigitals (2007) and the song pages, but I can't seem to find the actual artists for most of the songs (except for Noam:A World Without Danger), only a fictional band called "Subdigitals". What should I use as artist in this case? nyuszika7h (talk) 10:57, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

I suspect that this may be frowned upon but I'd put "Subdigitals" including the quotation marks. In print this is a recognised way of indicating that the given name is incorrect or false, deliberately or otherwise. --Deke42 (talk) 21:34, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
@ amazon Discogs1 @Discogs Kingnee - Musicbrainz @MB @wikipedia
Looks like "Code Lyoko" is the title of the animated series, "Subdigitals" is the fictitious band title, and the Production Company (real artist/SpA?) is "MoonScoop Group". Though the Page Names and actual artist title may still be disputable.--ES (talk) 22:02, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
In the 50s the group in the film 'Rock Pretty Baby' were referred to on the album as Discogs1 Jimmy Daley and the Ding-a-Lings, their name in the film, but where a particular artist was known (As opposed to just session musicians) it was put in brackets afterwards, however by the 60s and onwards (The Beagles, The Banana Splits, The Archies, Josie and the Pussycats) they were simply referred to by the name they were known by.
I don't know if this helps but it makes sense to me, if the artist is a known artist use both names, if not just use the name everyone knows the song as being by.--Deke42 (talk) 21:23, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Current/former members for disbanded band Edit

For a disbanded band (Superchick), should I list all members as "former" or list the members before the disbandment as "current"? nyuszika7h (talk) 21:33, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Logically if they have disbanded, all members are former members. --ES (talk) 21:35, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
Thought so, just wanted to make sure. nyuszika7h (talk) 21:41, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Lunacit Records / Lugilator Records Edit

I have trouble finding evidence for the existence of Lunacit Records and Lugilator Records. iTunes credits Lucía Gil:Más Allá Del País De Las Princesas (2013) to Lunacit Records / Pop Up Música (the latter seems to exist), while AllMusic credits the album to "Lugilator Records". The latter sounds more fake, because "Lugilator" is the name given to Lucía's fans. But I can't seem to find evidence of Lunacit Records' existence either, apart from some album credits on iTunes, Amazon, Spotify, Shazam, etc. for Lucía Gil and Adrián Rodríguez. It may be a misspelling of Lunatic Records, but a Google search for "lucia gil" "lunatic records" turns up nothing, and the artist listing on their website is empty. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:36, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

And Lunatic seems to be an Indonesian label, so unlikely... nyuszika7h (talk) 11:40, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Might be best to wait until the artist appears on discogs... --ES (talk) 11:52, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Album with tracklist not fully announced Edit

How should I add tracks to an upcoming album when the full tracklist hasn't been announced yet? Should I just add Track 1 etc, without the link, Track 1 with the link, or should I keep them as singles until the full tracklist is announced? --Ave879103 (talk) 11:15, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

You can add them to the artist page under the album name like usual (or "TBA (2016)" if the album name is unannounced) using "*" instead of "#", but do not create the actual album page until the full tracklist is available.
And always link songs, even if the lyrics have not been added to the site yet, because this makes it easier for people to add the lyrics when they do become available. Hope this helps - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 11:49, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Album / artist 'by' problem Edit

On the page Israel Houghton:You Are Good, the header box is stating that the song 'appears on the live album Alive in South Africa (2005) by Israel Houghton'. I can't work out why the redundant text 'by Israel Houghton' is appearing. --14:03, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

There are two spaces in the artist's name in the SH. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:20, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I've fixed that. --RWDCollinson (talk) 09:29, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Same lyrics, different lead singer/album Edit

There is a song "Dig Deep (Miles Version)" on the album "Songs from Backstage, Vol. 4", and there's another version, "Dig Deep (Alya Version)" on Vol. 7. Both are performed by Josh Bogert (Miles) and Aviva Mongillo (Alya), the difference is the lead singer, but the lyrics are the exact same. Should separate pages be created for these or not? nyuszika7h (talk) 12:06, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

Only one page should be created if the lyrics are identical. You can include a note in the trivia section of CreditBox about the difference in singers, like I have done on this page. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 14:26, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

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