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API

Fixing un-parsable pages

Once in a while i ran into pages that are not parsed correctly (i.e. the REST API does not provide the whole information that is shown on the page). While I would really like to fix those errors, it is always quite difficult to do so. The only thing I can do is comparing with working sites and remove possible differences. However, this is time consuming and frustrating. Wouldn't it be possible to make some output from the parser or maybe even the source of the parser available? I would be happy to submit patches in order to make the process less error-prone! (Fuzy 10:58, 8 July 2008 (EDT))

NOTE: Fuzy helped with this and we now have much better parsing rolled out for the API.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

SOAP .NET Compatibility problems

I've moved the discussion to a sub-page here since it was getting so long. This gist of it is that currently the POST functions don't work for the SOAP in .NET and it's been very hard to fix this. Here is the most recent message:

I've taken a few cracks at this and I'm basically coming up dry on a way to make this work for .NET without breaking for everyone else and/or completely rewriting the nuSOAP library. I'm gonna try the "lazyweb" thing now: Does anyone know of a way to make nuSOAP work with .NET (ie: comply to the WS-I standard?). Please help! I don't know what else to try at the moment, so any links or examples anyone could provide would be very helpful.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 10:12, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

REST API and split catalogs

On Rolling_Stones' artist page, it reads "Because of the limitations of some web browsers to edit pages that are larger than 32kb, the extensive song catalog of The Rolling Stones has been split into 4 sub-categories." While this is nice for those browsers, it results in really bad data from the: REST API (category names shown as albums, album titles shown as songs) (Fuzy 13:30, 22 May 2008 (EDT))

EDIT: something similar is true for Coldplay, where the categories like 'Studio Albums' seem to cause problems: REST API (Fuzy 13:37, 22 May 2008 (EDT))

Update: due to the new parsing code by Fuzy, the 'Studio Albums', etc. seem to work a lot better. Split catalogs still don't work yet though. Both Fuzy & I are well aware of that and one of us will probably get around to writing the code for split catalogs relatively soon. For now, since this is moving to the backburner, I'm going to archive this sub-section of the talk page.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Server Stuff

Slashes and ampersands in titles

This was previous discussed here, but I thought I'd mention again. While pages with multiple ampersands will now work, it appears that pages such as Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young:49 Bye-Byes/America's Children or http://lyricwiki.org/Category:Genre/R&B with a slash and ampersand will break. Is there anything that can be done about this? Twomeanings 19:24, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Hadn't looked at this in a while (this section is over a year old), but it's fixed now. I don't know if it was from the upgrade or if I fixed the .htaccess at some point, but it works now (and so do the examples from the other thread referenced here).

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

ÜberBot Stuff

Recent ÜberBot edit

Uberbot uncapped a couple of "M"s that were correctly capped. I'm thinking that the apostrophe messed with its head. Link    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   00:22, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Haven't been using ÜberBot for this kind of thing for a while, so I kind of let it go, but just now I went back and changed the code. Haven't tested it... so hopefully it works! We'll see what happens the next time I guess.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Germanic umlaut

Interresating, that the name of your bot contain a Germanic umlaut, but that the bot seems to have a problem with them: [1]

(I've added an deletion request to the from the list removed pages, please delete themm)

I mean, I've no problem do fix such things, but you should check your bot software and the contributes of the bot, to find similary issues.

-- Sarowie 06:23, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Oh, I just realized that was an edit from Janitor, not ÜberBot. That makes more sense :). ÜberBot seems pretty solid on his unicode for now. Back when that edit was made, Janitor was a lot younger than he is now. Dunno if he's fixed yet or not, so I passed on the info to Janitor.

Thanks,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Errors from SOTD update at 09:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't read LyricWiki:Song_of_the_Day. Please put ' back on that page where the next SOTD goes (and then manually add the entry for December 07, 2008'... content is below).

-ÜberBot 09:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Dunno what was wrong. Just had ÜberBot try again and it worked.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:55, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

My bad. I was adding a song to the top of the queue for Humbug, and I checked the syntax very carefully, but apparently I missed something (extra spaces?) EDIT: It was not including a space before the link to the song page. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 12:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

(Lol@edit conflict.) Apologies Sean, because although I may not have done the dastardly deed (lol) it was my fault. I would like to know what team a did wrong, because after seeing what he done and reading the page, I also thought what he did would've worked.

Anyway, in view of the amount of work Humbug has put into his Mission for the J Awards, can I ask you to ensure that the Presets song is reinstated and sort it so it's SOTD tomorrow? Particularly in view of the fact that team a has already told Humbug that it was going to be SOTD today. Thank you.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I added it back to the top of the queue. I would like to know more about how UberBot parses this, if you have the time. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 12:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is the relevant Perl code of how he parses the nominations:

if($sotdQueue =~ /(==START==\s*<br\/>)\s*('''Song:.*?)\s*<br\/>(\s*<br\/>)/si){
	$SOTD = $2;
	$sotdQueue = $`.$1.$'; # Removes the new SOTD from the queue
	wiki_updatePage($SOTD_QUEUE, $sotdQueue, wiki_utf8("Processed the next Song of the Day"), 1);

	if($SOTD =~ /'''Song:\s*\[\[([^\]]*)\]\]('''|<br.?>)/si){
		$sotdPage = $1;
	} else {
		$errorStr .= "Could not parse a page name out of <pre>$SOTD</pre>\n";
	}
	if($SOTD =~ /'''Nominated By:\s*\[\[(.*?)\]\]/si){
		$nomLink = $1;
		if($SOTD =~ /'''Nominated By:\s*\[\[(.*?)(\||\]\])/si){
			$nomName = $1;
		} else {
			$nomName = $nomLink;
		}
	}
	if($SOTD =~ /'''Reason:(''')?\s*(.*)$/si){
		$reason = $2;
	}

	# ... THIS IS WHERE HE ACTUALLY DOES THE UPDATES TO VARIOUS PAGES
}

It's not really in english, but if you speak regular-expressions it should shed some light on it for you.

Hope that helps!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Not Categorized

MediaWiki:Common.js

Hey Sean, Robert here. I am pulling my hair out trying to get collapsible frames to work on this wiki. (see here for documentation.) Is there any chance that $wgUseSiteJs = false; in LocalSettings.php? I bet not. I don't even remember how I got it to work on my wiki. I futz'd and fut'd and one day it worked. I broke it the other day and it took me a week to get it working again. I have no idea how, other than just copying Wikipedia's code verbatum several times. --Aquatiki - T - E 23:34, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

$wgUseSiteJs is not set in LocalSettings.php, however if the JavaScript part looks like what is broken, try clearing your cache and force-refreshing the page (CTRL+R, CTRL+F5, COMMAND+R on Macs - I think). There is a lot of caching going on to make LyricWiki run on as few servers as possible, so there is a chance that your browser has old JavaScript files cached.

Hope that helps! If not, let me know... there's probably a much simpler way to make collapsing divs.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

I gave up. :-( --Aquatiki - T - E 18:20, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

If you're interested in nosing around, the relevent pages are MediaWiki:Common.js, MediaWiki:Common.css, {{Navbox}} and {{Tnavbar}}. Info taken from [2]. Works in my wiki [3], can't make it work here. --Aquatiki - T - E 23:56, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

It looks like someone got this working because the Page Ranking thing collapses and so does the {{Additional_Albums}} template

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Another Specialpages Idea

Lately, I have been using a mobile phone to look up a lot of lyrics (or at least I have been wanting to). Would it be possible to make a page that has two fields: Artist and Song, which would then link to lyricwiki.org/api.php?fmt=html&artist=Artist&song=Song ? It would make things a lot easier for someone who wants to look up lyrics on the fly (we could even advertise that, possibly?) Let me know what you think.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 20:48, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

A mobile version of the site has been added to the mid-term list of todos. You can see the size of that list in the LyricWiki Actions sections on my little backlog-tracker.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Import lyrics from other web site

I have a script can scrape lyrics site with lots of Chinese songs. May I run a bot to put these lyrics into lyricswiki?

Yup :) That'd be awesome. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 19:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Since you will contact with the copyright owner for legal issue. So I don't need to care the copyright issue and just upload, right?

2. Do you have recommended way for write such bot? Use PyWikipediaBot or your SOAP API (python) postArtist, postAlbum, postSong ? Do you know existing script for me to reuse?

Don't know of any existing scripts laying around. The SOAP API is probably a good bet since you won't have to worry about formatting the wikitext or keeping up with any changes in the default layout of our pages. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 19:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Any other concerns or suggestions?

kcwu 06:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Are there listing of publisher who have agreement with lyricwiki? The only message regarding these issue I see is in 2006 LyricWiki:Announcements. Any updated information? kcwu 07:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Special:WantedPages

I was perusing the maintenance pages (as I tend to), and noticed that a whole lot of bad links are wanted. What I mean is, for example, Wantedpages says that Greatest Hits (1996) when each page listed has a link for artistname:Greatest Hits (1996). As soon as you edit/save the page, it leaves the list. Is there a way that we could clear these out, without going through each one? Proof: this and this.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 04:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean. That's pretty weird, but I don't know of a maintenance script or anything that can update that automatically. Sounds like a job for a bot. :)

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 11:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure but sounds like it could be connected to the same caching/updating problem as is mentioned here and which is affecting several categories, e.g. Songs Needing Language Identification, Hometown, Songs With Audio, etc. In all these cases what is displayed on the Category pages is incorrect. A save/edit removes from Category...  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I was pretty sure that was the way to fix it, but I just wanted to make sure (I'd like to avoid adding edits to a page just for the sake of resaving the same content)

Can these Categories be rebuilt? That should take a lot less cpu cycles than resaving 0.5 million supposedly "missing language" pages. It seems likely at some point during the Server Crash/Upgrade recently something went haywire. Looks like an stale index to me. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 03:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Echo...I was just in the process of typing a reply to KingNee saying more or less the same thing. It is affecting far too many pages for a Bot (or my pc) to cope with. As you say, probably half a million. As such I believe another solution needs to be found.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this appears to be that same caching problem which has worked itself out. Kinda curious as to what caused it... but it appears to be something upgrade-related (unless that's a huge coincidence).

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Maintenance

Why do you roll your own Send to Friend when there is an EmailPage extension, well maintained and working fine? --Aquatiki - T - E 04:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The extension didn't exist when we first put S.T.A.F. on LyricWiki. We turned the LyricWiki version into an extension at one point, but there wasn't a parser-hook to put it into the exact spot we wanted, so we ended up moving it back to just the normal code. I think ours is pretty robust though & has some decent anti-spam measures in it, so I don't see a reason to switch.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleting to make way for moves

I've found a bug that 'deleted to make way for move' doesn't work. That problem will make some editing tasks very difficult. To make this bug, all you have to do is move a page to another existing page. Instead of deleting the second and moving the first, it just says 'error'.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 06:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

This one needs to get fixed! I've been running into more and more issues with it.

I'm not having this problem...but you do have to enter the name a second time (when it says already exists and asks if you want to delete) and check the yes delete box. It's a nuisance and I think it's because of the unresolved "Object" problem.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I was not doing that. I had just been deleting to make way for moves myself.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 19:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: The buggy code itself was fixed (code in v1.13.2 was buggy so I upgraded it to the current SVN version and it was fine), so this workaround shouldn't be needed.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Star Box

I also happened to notice that Aquatiki's {{Star Box}} wasn't collapsing. He asked me to mention it, figuring it was the change from monobook to Lyricwiki Skins.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 03:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It has something to do with MediaWiki:Monobook.js vs MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Monobook.css vs MediaWiki:Common.css. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 05:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Good call, Aqua. I copied MediaWiki:Monobook.js to MediaWiki:Lyricwiki.js and it seems to be working now (you may need to force-refresh your browser).

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 12:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Errors from SOTD update at 07:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Add More to Song Of The Day Queue

Automated warning: Sean, there are only 2 songs left in the queue. Please add more from the Song of the Day talk page.

-ÜberBot 07:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting...

[4] Another good reason for us to perfect our pages perhaps?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 21:16, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah... strange indeed. I've never seen that template before. I'm not sure why it says that those pages are not worth it to delete?

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

lol I found another site that copies our pages: [5] Yes, template is a good idea, but I was a little bemused by those words too (however badly written). I'll probably change it when I get through the songs using it.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

That template is a bit dangerous, isn't it? The red links tell a user that the lyrics don't exist and flags the page as needing lyrics to all who visit a page with the link. By placing that on the page, the only ones that will know that we need those lyrics are those who actually visit the page and who visit Category:Requests For Edits/No lyrics. Am I missing something that makes it useful beyond the ability to categorize those page? I'm going to mark it for deletion, but I'll hold off on actual deletion for responses.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Well for what it's worth I'm going through that category and I have obtained lyrics for most of the songs. However...team a did make the observation, which I believe to be true too, that the lyrics would likely be scraped from the web if pages like this were deleted.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC) P.S. I don't get the dangerous bit.

Well, maybe dangerous is a bit strong. Certainly not as dangerous as Daniel Craig's Bond :-], but it gives the false impression that the lyrics exist when they don't. A visitor wishing to supply lyrics for an artist wouldn't realize that in reality those lyrics didn't exist and the site would have lost an opportunity to gain those lyrics. Plus, as you mention, UberBot wouldn't know that we needed those when a scrape took place. So...delete?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleting sounds right to me.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed :-)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 03:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Plug Ins

Is the wording of this right? Only someone has recently changed it. LyricWiki:Plugins#LyricWiki_.28talk.29  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he renamed his app "LyricWiki" which is just confusing as hell. It used to be called XMLlyrics or something. Maybe we should refer to it as "the LyricWiki .NET app" or something for clarity. As far as being the first to use the SOAP version of the API, that might be right, I don't remember.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 12:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

XML/Send to friend Extensions

Hi, i'm building a project with MediaWiki, and i see your two extensions. Can I download them? Chernobyl 20:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

NOTE: The code is actually out there already. This person is running a knock-off site, so I didn't bother doing the work of finding the link for him. I think that's reasonable :P

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Ringtone Ads bug

I don't know if you've seen the following discussion, but have you got any idea why ringtones are still appearing on some pages when user has deselected these in preferences LyricWiki_talk:Ads#Ringtone_Ads_-_Odd_bug?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Tracking of this bug has been moved to LyricWiki:Community_Portal/Upgrade

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs)

Errors from SOTD update at 07:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Add More to Song Of The Day Queue

Automated warning: Sean, there are only 2 songs left in the queue. Please add more from the Song of the Day talk page.

-ÜberBot 07:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 18:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for bot account

Hi! I’d like to request a bot account to work on Category:SNLI. I have outlined what I plan to do on LyricWiki_talk:Bot_Portal#Another_Take_on_SNLI. I have created a new account User:Man-Machine for this purpose. --Hfs·☏·✎ 14:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey,

That plan looks great! As far as the bot-flag, what we usually do (following Wikipedia's lead) is to have new bots just run slowly at first (maybe one request per minute) as normal accounts for about a day. That gives a chance for the whole community to be double-checking your work to make sure everything is smooth and notify you if there are any bugs. Then after that period, we'll slap the bot-flag on there and you can let 'er rip at around one request per second.

Sound good?

Thanks for writing this, it'll be super-helpful,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:04, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, the bot has now been running smoothly for more than 24 hours. User:Redxx has spotted a minor formatting problem which has been fixed. You may want to check the bot’s contribs. If you see “manual classification” in the list, that’s me training songs to the database that were left unclassified (and where I recognize the language). Would you mind putting the bot flag on the account? --Hfs·☏·✎ 17:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot'd.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 19:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Getting Rid of PUT LYRICS HERE

Would it cause problems for me to put a category after <!-- PUT LYRICS HERE (And delete this line) --> so that when one of these is created it can be fixed immediately?
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 05:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Nope, sounds like a good idea. The only challenge is wording it so that users know that they have to delete that category-include too. :)

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 05:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking <!-- PUT LYRICS HERE (And delete this line and category) -->[[Category:BlankPage]]

I could go with the more direct Category:Delete This Category Or We Gonna Have Problems.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 06:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Done

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 09:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

A call to arms, of sorts

I am putting the changes to song through a vote over at the community portal, I'd like to see all of the admin in on this one.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 09:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Commented over there. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs)

Time

1. It seems that the server time is off by almost 10 minutes. I determined this using {{CURRENTTIME}} and my machine's clock, synchronized with atomic time. Do the servers have domain time synchronization? Personally, I have used time-b.nist.gov (using NTP on a Windows platform) to set domain time at work as well as at home, and it's worked very well.
   
2. I believe that the variable {{CURRENTTIME}} should display time using the user's preferences (According to MediaWiki), but there are probably complexities involved there. I'll look into it further, if this hasn't been brought up before. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 21:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... it appears our old NTP date server is kaput. Thanks for the new server! :) Should be fixed now.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

It worked! Thanks! Also, in response to my own second post above, it seems that Meta at Wikimedia contradicts MediaWiki. Maybe there is some option buried in the MediaWiki software to change it, or maybe there is just an error at Mediawiki, but it's not that important. Thanks again for your prompt response! ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 22:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

On tour

Just to clarify: does your edit to Template:On tour mean that we shouldn't link to ShareResults anymore? (If yes, I'll clean out the few remaining pages in the category and remove the parameter from {{ArtistHeader}}.) -- 6x9 (Talk) 23:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that stuff was pretty out of date. I'm not sure how ppl were creating links anyway. I assume that they just moved them from the {{On tour}} template to the artistHeader?

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 04:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Partially, yes. They also mostly linked to other sites, like www.celebrityseats.com. I cleaned out Category:On tour (there were only half a dozen artists left, anyway) and removed the parameter from {{ArtistHeader}}; Category:On tour, Image:Small red tour bus.png and Template:On tour can now be deleted. -- 6x9 (Talk) 04:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Deleting...

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 04:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Errors from SOTD update at 07:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Add More to Song Of The Day Queue

Automated warning: Sean, there are only 2 songs left in the queue. Please add more from the Song of the Day talk page.

-ÜberBot 07:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

80 x 15 Badge

--Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 09:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooooo, I definitely like this concept :-D Great idea!

That blue/white combo is a little hard to read on my monitor (maybe I have it too bright?). Def. keep me updated! Exciting :)

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 11:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo pretty :-)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 17:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hawt :) -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 19:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

What exactly is it? Is it the image displayed next to the page title in a browser? ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 00:32, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Rfl..and I thought my eyes were bad! http://www.xs4all.nl/~ernstmul/images/msn60/smile006.gif  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

team a: It's a standard-sized badge that projects (especially Open Source, it seems) use all over to show what they use or who they support.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 00:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hosted: http://lyricwiki.org/lyricwiki_80x15.png :D

Great job making this.. thanks Aqua!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 00:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Site Slowdown

Some of the other admins and I have noticed that the site has been pretty slow lately (mentioned at LyricWiki_talk:Administrators_Portal#Ssslllooowww_Motion..., among other places). This doesn't seem to be due to bot activity or job queue length. If I remember correctly, we don't seem to be lacking in servers either. When you get the chance, do you think you could run some diagnostics to see where some of this activity is coming from? Appreciate it, ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 18:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know exactly what wrong yet. I've looked into it a bit and it seems to be two problems. One related to the searchindex table being locked and the other was an upgrade problem related to postSong(). I've added the postSong() problem to the upgrade page and will use this convo as a reminder to look at the other problem when I have a chance.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! That's all I can ask for. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 22:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Psssst....

I'm incognito. I found this interesting >>> [6] 80.193.33.65 20:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Just to be sure: what's the strange part.. that it has LyricWiki content?

This might have been from before you were here, but Pedlr is actually another site I made and originally I was going to roll LyricWiki into being the lyrics portal of Pedlr. People made it pretty clear pretty quickly that they didn't like that at all though and I rolled it back (probably the same day). Pedlr never really took off like LyricWiki (partly because LyricWiki is already successful so it takes up all my time, lol).

So that's nothing sketchy. Just a fossil really. On second thought though, that may be lowering our page-rank by having that skin still out there on another domain. I'll look into it.

Thanks for the head's-up,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 20:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

My Mission

Hi Sean, Do you think you'd be able to assist me in my mission regarding J Awards. I would require you to grab the appropriate nomination template from my list as soon after the announcement as is comfortable. I'd greatly appreciate it as it's a bit of a boost for an Aussie artist and might even drive some traffic through the J Awards which has to be good for the Aussie bands involved.

You can comment on it here, on my talk page or on the talk page for my list.

Thanks, Humbug 11:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The Awards have been announced. Check out User:Humbug/J_Award if your interested. -- Humbug 00:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

That was a pretty awesome idea. Great work! :D

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 05:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Pick a number...

between and 400,000 and 600,000 because I noticed this large discrepancy (possibly due to the figures on the Special:Statistics page?) and what with the new LyricWiki:Help Desk, I figured it was high time the Welcome templates were updated. Team a picked up on what I was doing and has assisted greatly in this, since he is of course another excellent template maker.

I also updated the FAQ page too. You might just want to check this bit out when/if (lol) you get a minute. (I got it from your talk page at Wikipedia).. Please amend anything as you see fit.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 21:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The number actually appears to be a problem from the LyricWiki:Community_Portal/Upgrade. Thanks for pointing it out.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't artist and album pages count as "real" pages? Some are stubs (just "Other Songs"), but most have been edited by people and contain useful links and information. I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but I was confused by the information on LyricWiki:Community_Portal/Upgrade, and the fact that the page count is dropping so radically. I'm not going to suggest here that we upgrade again for the {{PAGESINNS}} variable to calculate this (there's probably a quick server-side way to do the same thing anyway), but it just seems a lot easier to count every page in the main namespace (with a page size threshold, perhaps). ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 22:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I guess what I said was a bit confusing. Artist & album pages will also be counted when they are of decent size, but the typical function for seeing if a page counts or not uses some weird things that we generally don't have on our song pages (like outbound links to some number of pages... don't remember how many). So last time, I'd modified it to accept any of the normal criteria or the presence of a <lyrics> tag.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Meaning that until that's added back, the page count will drop by excluding many or all song pages? Got it. I think I'm just overly competitive... oh no, I'm going to have to focus on quality over quantity now! ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I know that this topic's basically been answered, but I wanted to point out that I was wrong - all we have to do is enable $wgAllowSlowParserFunctions for {{PAGESINNS}}. This might be a simpler solution, allowing you to deal with other issues - we can always be picky about our selection criteria for number of articles later. ♠team a ‹_talk•ctrb› 20:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I found out that in the current version of MediaWiki the requirement appears to be that the article is in the main namespace and has at least one link to another article. The problem here is just that it normally counts the links explicitly in the wikitext of the page, whereas almost all of our links to other pages are created through templates. Fortunately, there is a maintenance script that updates the count all at once and works off of the pagelinks table instead of the actual text of the pages. I've set it up to run at 10pm EST each day now, so our counts will be off by a small margin each day until 10pm.

It's great that this script exists because we don't have to change the core code at all (which always means things will break during the next upgrade).

Thanks for bringing this up!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 20:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Glad you sorted it! ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Bad pages now in broken redirects

The pages sitting in broken redirects [7] at "Lady & Bird" are immune to bot and sysop edits (S2E2 was impersonating the Janitor). -rm plz? TIA ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 04:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a tough one. I'll have to figure out a way around that. Deletion in MediaWiki is a lot more than just deleting a row from wiki_page, so I'll try to figure out a way to have the site let me do it as opposed to nuking it in the database if at all possible.

Thanks for the head's-up,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 04:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, actually as long as they somehow disappear from the broken redirects list, that would be sufficient, because any bot attempt to traverse that list will come to a dead stop at Lady & Bird. There are also a few other such pages floating around (in orphaned pages) that don't cause any problems for bots since they magically get just skipped over. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 05:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't much of a solution, but if you turn off you MOD_REWRITEs for a second, you should be able to just type in the URL without trouble (i.e. index.php?action=delete&title= ).--Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 05:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately turning off MOD_REWRITE didn't help :( (did it on the API server btw, so it didn't have any side-effects) ... had to just delete the rows from wiki_page. Since they're just redirects, this probably just left one unused revision in the revisions table and one in the text table. Small overhead, I guess. Anywho, they're outta there.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:48, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Songs with "Cantabile" in the name returned as "Can'tabile"

The API is incorrectly returning searches for "Cantabile" as "Can'tabile". See here: [8]. Cantabile is a musical term, and I'm sure a lot of other songs besides this would be affected. I think this also affects other words like cantor, canteen, Cantonese, etc., as well. I think that it needs to check for a space after the "t" so only the word "cant" becomes "can't". --Geopgeop 10:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out! I've switched it over from using a faster strtr() to using a regex now... so it will match on "Cant" either at the end of a string or followed by a non-alphabetic character. The link you provided as an example is no longer looking for the "Can'tabile" version, but still doesn't work. Partially because we don't appear to have that artist yet, and partially it appears that the capitalization is likely to mess with the API because of our page naming conventions (if you pass a word in all-caps, we don't Capitalize it).

Thanks again!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 18:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Selling Stuff

Hey Sean, you said we should try to make money like other sites do and sell T-shirts and stuff. Have you checked out Café Press? They have a free and pay accounts. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 11:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference. Yes, CaféPress is on the list of places we might use. Spreadshirt and a few others are also there. My main concern is going to be their markup since the end-product usually ends up costing like $20 to net the seller about $3 (for a t-shirt!). If we're only gonna net $3/user, it'd be nice to cost the end-user the least amount possible. Selling swag is on the Mid-Term Actions list (if you remember that thing? it kinda sits off to the side) so I should be getting around to it within the next month or two.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 18:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Bad title

There is a page that we cannot access on the Category:Language/ (The one with þ in it. Is there a way we can get rid of that, or will that bug stick?
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 00:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

At the same time, if you could take a look at this post by Uberbot. O_o is a fitting expression, I think.

That page is also presenting problems in other categories too...see Category:NofLetter ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Just deleted the page from wiki_page (just like I had to do with the &amp;'s). In this case it was a duplicate (of Sezen_Aksu:Herşeyi_Yak), so it didn't need to be moved or anything. It's out of Category:Language/ and Category:NofLetter now.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Blanking pages

I was editing my userpage today and got the following message: "Blanking pages has been disabled on this wiki. If this page is incorrect, please mark it for deletion by add {{Deletion| insert reason for deletion, using [[links]] as appropriate}} to the top of the page. If you have questions, contact an administrator."

My question is, is there a way that you can turn this off for section editing? I was just trying to blank a section of my userpage, not the whole thing. I can't see how this would hurt things.

If that's not possible, could this be turned off for admins? --WillMak050389 22:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I overcome this by opening the whole page for editing. I know, it doesn't help your question - I'm just bored ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

my work around in section editing is just insert {{clear}} ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 12:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice one Echo!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I've now made it so that admins can blank pages or sections. I was tempted to just let anyone blank sections, but if I recall, spambots cleared out sections usually. Anywho... this should make life easier for a few ppl at least :-/ unfortunately not everyone. Dang spammers ruining things for everyone! :P

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Spam filter is causing issues

the phrase 'overflow : auto' (without the spaces) is killing a number of edits I try to make in my workspace.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 03:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

As it turns out, the Spam Filter is doing that intentionally because spambots use that style to hide text so that spiders can see it, but we won't be able to. Left a message on your talk page... If there is a reason that we still need it, then maybe we can toggle that off (it'll probably let a little more spam through though).

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 01:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this has got any relevance on what you are referring to KingNee, but this does include the overflow auto code. It's enclosed in pre tags.

Is API cached now?

Hi, Sean, I noticed something new in API behavior - it seems to be cached now, showing non-empty OS list for Gary Moore, though it was cleared ~2h ago. Is that under design? --Senvaikis ^(talk) 15:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hiya,

Yup, the API is cached now, but it's supposed to last for only two hours. On top of that, something else strange is happening because I tried to access the API server directly (skipping the squid cache) and some of the time the result was coming back with Other Songs and sometimes it wasn't. If you put random stuff in the URL, that would generally kill any in-browser caching too, but some requests are still showing up with Other Songs and some aren't. Maybe memcached issues? Maybe the slave database is behind? I'll look into it some more.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's not good. The master/slave replication is broken. That means that the database which most of our "read"s are done from is not being updated. Bad, bad, bad.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed now. Great catch though... while it was broken (appears to have broken 5 days ago!) 80% of our page views would have been looking at stale data. That was probably pretty confusing for users. The data is still a little stale for now, but is catching up as we speak.

Thanks again,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 16:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sad to say, but problem doesn't seem to be fixed - mentioned call to Api still returns the same old data (adding pseudo query parameter has no effect), what imo indicates servers replication, not caching problems. Regards,--Senvaikis ^(talk) 08:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

When I restarted replication, the slave was 500,000 seconds behind. It has to slowly try to catch up from there. It's about 384,000 seconds behind right now. It'll probably be another 24 hours or so before it's caught up. Thanks for looking into it though :) Hopefully everything will look exactly as we'd expect it within a day or so.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 11:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Sean - all that matters - now it's under your controll :), --Senvaikis ^(talk) 12:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I can also confirm what Senv said, as he told me how to check for lyrics via API and I saved it.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Now Api stopped responding at all:

Fatal error: Unknown function: () in /var/www/html/lyricwiki.org/includes/DefaultSettings.php on line 114

--Senvaikis ^(talk) 06:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The server got backed-up and at around 6pm EST on 12/16 I restarted it and it seems this problem arised immediately. I restarted the server a little bit ago (around 4:15am EST) and it seems to be fine now. The crazy thing is that the line in that code looks totally normal. Something must have gotten confused when restarting.

Thanks for the info!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The slave database appears to have caught up.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Juggalo

Y is the word Juggalo Blocked — The preceding unsigned comment was added by DeeepSouth (talk • contribs).

Hi,

Not sure what you mean. Is the spam filter complaining about it? I looked at the spam filter and didn't see anything about that word in particular. Also, if it was blocked, wouldn't you have been unable to put this message on my page?

I'm a little confused. If you have any more info (like the error message that the spam filter was giving you), please let me know & I'll take another look into it.

Thanks,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 18:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

OK if I put it in in all Caps it blocks it.:

-DeeepSouth (talk)

I don't see that happening. I added it to a page just fine [9] to test it. When you say "blocked" you are referring to the spam filter blocking it, right?

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 19:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

This seems not to be a problem. I left a message for DeeepSouth on his talk-page before archiving this just in case.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 05:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Google Sitemap accessibility?

Hi Sean, I noticed that a Google Sitemaps extension is installed, but when I go to the sitemap page Special:GoogleSitemap it says that it is only accessible to Bureaucrats. It would seem to me that if I - with administrator status - cannot access it, then neither can Google. Forgive me if I said something very stupid here, but I thought this may be in error. --Mischko (wishing happiness, health and heaps-of-fun for 2009 to all my friends here at LyricWiki!) 10:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The extension didn't work when I tried to install it... Thanks for bringing it up though, I just cleaned it out of the code now.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 06:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes

Did you change something serverside? Checkout U2:Sunday Bloody Sunday and hit 'show'. The {{Additional Albums}} doesn't work any more!? --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 05:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It's nothing Sean did; User:MacPhisto rearranged the line breaks in the song in question. -- 6x9 (Talk) 06:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Mea culpa. I read the last post in the above thread and jumped to conclusions. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 07:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

wikEd

For a while I have used the greasemonkey script wikEd to edit on LW. I was wondering if I could convince you to wander over here and take a look at getting wikEd installed natively on LW?
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 03:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Finally added it. I'll bet I get like 10 "WTF?!" messages this week ;)

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)