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Contents 1 Bug List 1.1 Open 1.2 Pending 1.3 Believe the following are all fixed: 2 API 2.1 REST fmt=text vs. songs with colons 2.2 Wikimarkup in Lyrics 3 Uberbot Stuff 4 SpecialPages 4.1 Special:Batchmove unicode problems 4.2 Wikify 4.3 Orphaned pages 4.4 Soapfailures 5 Extensions 6 Not Categorized Yet 6.1 Album cover questions 6.2 Not only indestructible, but also camouflaged 6.3 Implied redirects 6.4 Loops 6.5 Unused file? 6.6 REST JSON API request 6.7 ÜberBot & Html-decoding 6.8 Encoding problems 6.9 General disclaimer 6.10 Lyrics sung or in the album cover? 6.11 LyricWiki:Integration 6.12 Text indexes out of date? 6.13 Contributions 6.14 What about SMW? 6.15 SOTD 6.16 String functions 6.17 Subpages 6.18 Women trouble 6.19 XML Parser 6.20 About increasing frustration 6.21 Blanking pages 6.22 GracenoteBot 6.23 Mainpage meta-tags (keywords) 6.24 Moving weirdness 6.25 Lyric page external links 6.26 iTunes linkmaker 6.27 Blocked? 6.28 Sidebar Items 6.29 Percent sign in page names 6.30 Minor problem for when you need a break with the big stuff :-] 6.31 Translation allowed?

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[edit] Bug List

Keeping track of these all in one place so I can fix 'em. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs)

[edit] Open

1. User Merge Mayhem
2. What links here is still broken. It was thought to be fixed, and it wasn't. More info on Senv's talk.
3. Facebook Application doesn't render at all. -Sean Colombo 22:46, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
4. Special:SendToAFriend doesn't work, and the button to use it isn't in the skin anymore. -Sean Colombo 20:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

   Thanks! -Sean Colombo 19:27, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

5. Both Special:LonelyPages and Special:DeadendPages look like they show ALL pages. (Though with bots currently out of action that's not a pressing matter… Might go away by itself anyway.) — 6×9 (Talk) 08:03, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

   Running a maintenance script that will fix this. Might take some time. --TOR 16:28, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

   Can you define "some time" please TOR, only this would still not appear to be resolved.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 07:53, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

   Again, can we have an update on this please TOR, only a month has almost passed and I would've thought the maintenance script had finished running by now...  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:33, October 2, 2009 (UTC) Can you also amend the "Lyric Wiki" on the Special pages to be LyricWikiplease. Thanks.

   Checking on this again ... --KyleH (talk) 22:16, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

   We're running a maintenance script now to fix this issue. The script has to iterate through all of LyricWiki's 1.2 million pages (almost 10x more than any other single wiki we host), so it's going to take a while. I don't really have a specific time-frame for a while though. I'll keep you updated on the status. --KyleH (talk) 18:08, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

   This maintenance script has finished running; however it missed a few pages that were created or edited since we performed the import. TOR has a list of those pages and will be fixing them soon. --KyleH (talk) 18:09, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

   Seems that LonelyPages is sorted now, but Special:DeadendPages is still showing ALL pages.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 17:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

6. {{#ec: stopped working. The editcount special page still (kinda) works, but the numbers are completely off. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:00, September 2, 2009 (UTC)</s>

   #ec: is back in action, but the numbers are still off. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC) Oops – I thought it was working, because {{Userboxes/EditCount}} does, but the latter now uses {{Special:EditCount/User}}. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:21, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

7. "Last edited" date displaying incorrectly. (See User_talk:Senvaikis#Soular:Tomorrow_Never_Comes)

[edit] Pending

For all non-urgent code changes, we branch on Mondays and deploy on Wednesdays (meaning that any code that was done by Monday will go live on Wednesday... any code that misses the cutoff will go live the next Wednesday). This section is to track changes that've been made but aren't live yet. So don't expect these to work until the Wednesday after they were put here :)

[edit] Believe the following are all fixed:

1. Collapsible tables don't collapse with all skins. Only seems to work with the Monobook skin. See here and here.

   Collapsible tables seem to be working for me now. We fixed some Javascript problems last week. Is anyone still having trouble with this? --KyleH (talk) 18:08, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] API

[edit] REST fmt=text vs. songs with colons

If a song name contains a colon, disaster ensues: the artist is stripped:

$ GET 'http://lyricwiki.org/api.php?artist=Pink_Floyd&fmt=text' | grep -v Pink
Sysyphus: Part 1...
The Grand Vizier's Garden Party: Part 1 (Entrance)...
The Wall: Music From The Film (1982)
1967: The First 3 Singles (1997)

Jidanni 05:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimarkup in Lyrics

Is it by design that lyrics retrieved from the REST API may contain Wikimarkup? (See Simon_And_Garfunkel:A_Simple_Desultory_Philippic and its REST version). Should this markup be stripped (or rendered?) at server-side or client-side? (fuzy 09:23, 28 May 2009 (UTC))

Fixed. Pages with markup reside in Category:Song Subpages, outside of main namespace. If you come across any other ones, post a note in the community Portal. Night Owl 09:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thx. Is there any documentation on this? Or where should it be? (fuzy 09:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC))

There isn't any documentation on this, because it isn't an "official" solution. This is an acceptable solution to this problem that was created by a couple of editors and is available for you to use if you wish.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there any documentation on use of wiki markup inside the lyrics? I don't recall any of them having been created by bots. Night Owl 02:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Why? That doesn't have any bearing on this.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   19:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Uberbot Stuff

[edit] SpecialPages

[edit] Special:Batchmove unicode problems

Special:Batchmove doesn't work with unicode characters. (Preview does work though.) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:30, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Probably totally irrelevant but have you tried preceding any symbols in first part with slash, i.e. Move from Red October \(US\) to Blue October (UK)?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 06:49, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I know about that, but I was trying to move some Japanese artist from "Romanised" to "Native (Romanised)". No special characters in the "from" field that needed escaping. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:10, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Okey doke  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 07:53, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wikify

Here's my ideas for improving Special:Wikify:

• Fixing the bug that turns Word's into Word'S. (looks like a regex search [^a-zA-Z][a-z] could be [^a-zA-Z'][a-z] to me :P)
• Adding the second parameter to the {{Album Art}} template (caption) so every caption for album art isn't the default {{PAGENAME}} on artist pages.

Cheers, ♫ LYRIC-Humbug ^words♪_deeds 14:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the problems 6x9 and myself reported to you earlier about this, there is also another bug that has since become apparent to me whereby Wikify sometimes decides to capitalise letters.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to check, are there more bugs that I've lost track of? All that I'm currently aware of are the bugs in this thread and the ones that were recently fixed.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What I've noticed is that often (but not always) letters after apostrophes are capitalised. (Maybe that's what Red meant?) AFAIK it's only started doing so recently (probably introduced along with the capping-accented-letters fix). I haven't done any tests to see when they are capped and when not, though… — 6x9 (Talk) 15:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes it's after an apostrophe. It is also inappropriately uncapping letters in the middle of words, e.g. McIver it makes Mciver in the link (but not in the second parameter).  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

@Sean: Yes seems it's after all apostrophes. Any way you can fix this?

@6: I like Humbug's thinking on album art..  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Inappropriate capping of letters (like your example: "McIver" vs "Mciver") may look ugly, but that's the capping policy.--KaputteMenschen 15:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned pages

I think I followed the thread up about Orphaned pages or Lonely pages not including pages which are ONLY redirected to, but I can't remember where that thread is :( Until I run into it again, I'll re-start it here. The solution I was thinking of is two Special pages:

• A list of all of the pages which are only linked to by redirects. That special page would have the weakness that some ACTUAL legitimate pages may link to those redirects which then link to these "hidden" lonely pages.
• A second page (done now :D) which shows all real articles which link to redirects. The idea is that we can go through this page with a bot (which I haven't written yet, hopefully someone else will? ^^ please) and fix those original pages to link to the destination. This way, the previous SpecialPage which links to hidden lonely pages will actually only include pages which aren't linked to directly. This special page is done... it caches 1,000 results at a time for 2 hours: Special:Linkstoredirects.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 00:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The (most recent) discussion was on the Community Portal… until I archived it yesterday. Sorry. The first half is here and the rest a bit lower. (Was that an earthquake, or Echo and Senv jumping up and down in joy?) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Sean; one note regarding Special:Linkstoredirects - don't you think it would be better to make items of this list unique?--Senvaikis ^(talk) 05:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that all pairs are unique. Or did you mean make it so that everything in the left is unique or everything in the right is unique? If it's primarily going to be used by bots, as long as the pairs are unique it should be good. One interesting possible bug I noticed is that some of the links in the left column are red which makes me think that the pagelinks table has bad (old) data of links from pages that don't exist anymore.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Considering there's a "Backgammon" as well as several JPGs and PNGs in there… not to mention EchoSierra/Sandbox/1-3000 (while User:EchoSierra/Sandbox/1-3000 clearly exists)… I'd guess the left column strips the namespace off. — 6x9 (Talk) 21:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! Good catch :) -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd figured that was you :-) I GOT TO PATROL ONE OF SEAN'S EDITS! *hops up and down in glee* — 6x9 (Talk) 02:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Finally got around to fixing those links. Still need to make that other special page. If anyone is feeling botty... this first page is a good candidate! Special:Linkstoredirects ^^ lol

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yay! teknomunk wrote the bot tonight to take care of the Special:Linkstoredirects.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 04:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

(OUTDENT) Summary of where this stands: we still need a SpecialPage which is a list of all of the pages which are only linked to by redirects. That special page would have the weakness that some ACTUAL legitimate pages may link to those redirects which then link to these "hidden" lonely pages. The fact that we have Special:Linkstoredirects (which can hopefully continue to be cleaned out by the community as well as bots) should make that weakness not matter much though.

-Sean Colombo 00:29, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Soapfailures

Would it be possible to fix the red links on Special:Soapfailures to go to the page the API actually looks for, rather than to the one that was requested? For example, "Taylor Swift: You Belong with me official music video" is converted to "Taylor Swift:You Belong With Me Official Music Video", so creating a redirect at the former wouldn't have been any use, but that's where the red link led to. (I kept wondering why I was getting "still failed" results in most cases and only recently figured it out…) — 6×9 (Talk) 03:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Extensions

[edit] Not Categorized Yet

[edit] Album cover questions

1. Is it possible to automatically insert a blank {{Albumcover}} template into the summary box of the upload page (similar to the album etc. auto-templates)? That should reduce the number of uncategorized files greatly.
2. Would it be a good idea to include the fair-use blurb in the template? Because most users (including myself) regularly forget to add it…

There's also a discussion on the community portal about what the maximum allowed image size should be. — 6x9 (Talk) 18:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I recently brought the subject up of an auto-template for image uploads here and was told that you were the person to nudge on the subject, so here's my friendly reminder. Hope things aren't too busy for you. I also want to give you compliments (whether it's because of you or not), it seems the "move enormous amounts of pages to ridiculous pages" spammers have stopped. --WillMak050389 21:51, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

@Red – errr… #1 is done? Since when? And how come the summary field is still blank when I hit upload? — 6x9 (Talk) 01:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I misunderstood. Haven't you got to be somewhere? ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 14:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not only indestructible, but also camouflaged

See Category:Wikipedia articles, the 4th link under B: it says Black:Wonderful Life, but actually leads to Björk… and the tooltip (when I move the mouse over it) says "Bj??>Bj??/a></li><li><a href=". If you'd remove the {{Wikipedia}} template from the Black song page, the next page in this category (currently Blondie) would lead to Björk instead. (That happened with the page that was there before; now Black is in its place.)

The three pages above that one are Untouchables too, but at least "normal" ones… — 6x9 (Talk) 03:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Black:Wonderful Life leads to Black:Wonderful Life for me. Also, the four above it, although they display a little mangled, the links actually work & go to real pages for me. I'm using FireFox on Vista to check this... what OS / Browser are you using? I doubt it's browser-specific, but I think I should check anyway.

Btw, on Sunday or Monday I ran some script that was supposed to fix bad titles (the script comes with MediaWiki), so that should have improved some of the "untouchable" pages.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 10:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Odd. I'm (effectively) on IE6. Note, though, that none of those for pages include the {{Wikipedia}} template and therefore shouldn't be in this category at all. (I doubt it's a latency thing, since they've been there for weeks.) So I wildly guessed they have some "illegal" characters in the pagenames which, when clicking on the link, somehow get converted into "legal" ones and lead to the correct page… — 6x9 (Talk) 13:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The first three B songs have accents where the question mark symbol is. The last one, Bjork, has that Icelandic "o" thing.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Implied redirects

Looks like they don't like non-ascii characters – works as advertised with Prodigy, but not with Кино. See the lower half of this discussion. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Loops

Hi!
I found an Extension called "Loops". With that the limited number of featured artists and covered songs, etc. could be a problem of the past!

There's another extension with the same funcionality, but another usage (maybe this one is easier to handle): LoopFunctions.--KaputteMenschen 12:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unused file?

I don't know why I never asked, but in my continual trials to clear Special:UnusedFiles I've never figured why File:Mandragora Scream - Madhouse.jpg is in there. It has two links (check the file page) and it's had these links for longer than the cache has been updated on the list, so it shouldn't be there. But it is. I'm lost. Any suggestions why this is on the list? It seems to be the only one also. --WillMak050389 00:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Might be related to the category thing two topics above, and the what-links-here problem even further up… I suspect that MediaWiki only "sees" explicit links reliably, while those from within a template (especially complex ones) are more hit-and-miss. (The cover parameter on the album page was also prefixed with some odd character, which might have caused the link to break and the art finder to be used instead, which is complex enough. I fixed the link – maybe it will disappear from Unused Files now…) — 6×9 (Talk) 00:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

This has been in unused file for months (possibly years?) that I've noticed. If you fixed it, I love you. --WillMak050389 00:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

No such luck… still there. You could try putting it on your userpage. *ducks and runs* — 6×9 (Talk) 01:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I put it on my page, we'll see if it changes tomorrow (I don't wanna hafta refresh the special pages again). Now that I look, we may have the same problem with File:The All-American Rejects - The All-American Rejects.jpg, I just added it to their artist page, but it had the album page linking it. --WillMak050389 02:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you two please explain this to me. Why are you wanting to delete album covers that seem to be needed, i.e. not duplicated. And why are so many used files in "Unused files" ?? I am seriously confused here... ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

We are trying to make the used files not show up in Unused Files special page. 6×9 was deleting a previous version of that file in order to see if that would help the system recognize that it is actually being used.
As for used files being in Unused Files list, the two that I have linked above seem to be the only used ones that still appear in the list. Some may still appear on the list despite their use because they are being hyperlinked (in order for a file to be "used" it has to be linked using [[File:<<FileName>>.ext]] or [[Image:<<FileName>>.ext]]. Something like File:IMDb small.png is only hyperlinked in the {{FilmFooter}} template). Also, some of the images at the bottom of the list may be used in an {{Album}} template, but because the cache has not been purged on the album page since the image was uploaded, it still appears in the Unused File list.
As for File:Mandragora Scream - Madhouse.jpg and File:The All-American Rejects - The All-American Rejects.jpg, that's what we're trying to figure out. --WillMak050389 15:20, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Will. I won't pretend I understand all that ;) All I really wanted to say was that my pretty pictures are in the Unused Files but they are not "unused". They are linked to by way of url. But you know about that anomaly so that doesn't help you any.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 20:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's frustrating, but it at least tells you when you open up the special page: "Please note that other web sites may link to a file with a direct URL, and so may still be listed here despite being in active use." Those two specific album covers have no business being in their at all. --WillMak050389 21:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] REST JSON API request

Hi, could you provide an API in REST with JSON response that could list the albums per artist and the songs per album, for example:

• pseudo javascript*

getAlbumsbyArtist(artist) - the response would include the artist URL here on lyricwiki, his/her name and then the list of albums with respective URL and name

getSongsbyAlbum(album,artist) - the response would include the both artist and album URL here on lyricwiki, his/her name and then the list of songs with respective URL, name.

Thanks.

Best regards. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.180.89.25 (talk), 11.50 29th May 2009 (UTC).

[edit] ÜberBot & Html-decoding

Hi, Sean,

Seems you still haven't noticed my last msg to ÜberBot, here's one more sample; thx, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 19:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Senv, thanks for the notes. I was gone for a couple of days and am just getting back. It seems like there may be some encoding problems on top of the htmlentities since the second title you sent me is all messed up and doesn't have ampersands or anything in it. I'm gonna be a bit swamped the next couple of days (day job is wed, thur, fri this week because I was gone) but hopefully I can figure out a fix after-hours tomorrow.

Thanks again,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 05:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Just thought that it might be useful if I provide a few particular examples with some comments, because the title of this msg doesn't cover entire problem. Strictly speaking, the problem lies in the encoding (codepage) of lyrics source page. So, if lyrics is encoded in CP, different from UTF8, and page doesn't have according metatag set in it's header, as Albion (Rus):Проклятый Мир - even htmldecoding will not solve this problem, untill you take into account that page text is encoded in Kirilica (Windows 1251). The same result ÜB have got for Baltic (Windows-1257) encoded pages of Lithuanian groups Altorių Šešėliai and Angis (btw, am I right, supposing that all of them, together with AridaVortex, were taken from metal-archives?). Moreover, - you may get a wrong result even for English lyrics, if you miss it was encoded in Western European (ISO-8859-1) (Beau, supposedly from songmeanings).

So, it'll be not a simple task for ÜB, but hth :), --Senvaikis ^(talk) 12:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Maybe you have some bright idea - what should we do with 201 items, added to Bjá¶rk, or Björk, aka Björk?

Thanks for the additional info... that'll be super-helpful! As far as Björk goes, I think now is probably a good time to teach ÜberBot how to do batch-deletes. Should be pretty straight-forward. Nope, neither of those sources was correct ;) but most sites scrape each other, so who knows if that's where they came from originally.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 13:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Only semi-related… Could you teach ÜB to require a minimum of lyrics, to avoid pages with only "-1" or the song title between the tags? — 6×9 (Talk) 15:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Eeek, for now I'm just gonna stop ÜberBot until I can fix these problems. I just got home, still have a bit more work left for the day-job and I'm already supposed to be asleep - ie: I can't fix this tonight... :(.

Thanks for the bug reports though guys... keep 'em coming!

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Encoding problems

Hi Sean,

I don't know if you've seen it, but on my PC every page has got this " â " behind the page's title. In UTF-8 this is a question mark, in window-title it's a blank rectangle (if you don't see it, look at my comparison). So maybe you could have a look at it?
Comparison (image, 800 x 600) - the listing-error is only in some categories like Category:Wikipedia articles, in Category:Genre/Forró for example page-title's ó and artists are correct with UTF-8 and wrong with ISO 8859-1... - Chris 03:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's very strange and I have not seen it. Hmm. I can't reproduce it here in FireFox 3.5, Chrome 2, IE8, or Opera 9. The screenshot looks like it might be IE 6, is that the case? Err... nevermind, you have tabs. What browser/version is it?

Thanks for the info,

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems to me that we have two different things mixed into one here:

1. Page title: If you want to reproduce it, change your language settings in preffs to Deutsch (tested on my FF3 & IE7), 'cause it's a problem of particular German translation, not entire LW.
2. Artist/albums encoding: this problem is common for all LW, but that's not a bug - just wrong encoding (ISO 8859-1) was used instead of UTF-8 for some artists/albums/songs.

--Senvaikis ^(talk) 17:59, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Odd – just changed my prefs to German (IE6) but Category:Genre/Forró still looked normal… (The B section in Category:Wikipedia articles is completely garbled here, but that's independent of language setting.) — 6×9 (Talk) 18:33, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Sean, as you could have guessed from section "Window title" of my screenshot I've got Mozilla Firefox, FF 3.0.11 (look at the fading "Mozill..." at UTF-8 ;)) - this â behind the title is shown there since I've been here, I believe it's in the parameter for " - Lyrics from LyricWiki". I looked at it in IE8, exactly the same, but only if I change my preferences to "de - Deutsch", not in en-gb, not in fr, not in any randomly chosen language. Oh and another information: in Wikipedia there's no problem with "de - Deutsch", so not a problem with MediaWiki as it seems. - Chris 01:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] General disclaimer

Sean, I have corrected all the links in this section as they didn't actually go anywhere. Please check and amend if you want theses links to display as different titles as to what the pages are named on Wikipedia.

I have also included a link to both the General disclaimer and the Copyrights pages in Help:Contents. They seemed like they should be there, but I'm not sure if I put the disclaimer under the correct heading.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE:After I posted the above message, I noticed that there is a link to the Disclaimer at the bottom of all pages. If you want me to remove either the disclaimer or copyrights links from Help:Contents just give me the nod and it will be done.

The Privacy link at the bottom of all pages is actually dead btw. It seems to encourage vandals and just keeps getting deleted by 6 and Will. (Maybe that could be substituted instead for the Copyrights page?)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics sung or in the album cover?

I'm noticing people wanting to put what the singer actually says in their performance instead of what is listed with the album on the cover. Case in point Michael Jackson does not say "Come on" in Bad, he says "Cha-mon" and so does Weird Al in Fat for that matter, a perfect copy but it's even clearer in Fat actually (after "I take up seven rows" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqz1ojIQTBk&feature=fvst ). But which is correct, copying the Album cover or transcribing the performance?? GabrielVelasquez 00:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Lyrics included with albums are often incomplete/incorrect, etc., which is part of the reason why the goal of the site is to have the lyrics presented as they were actually recorded. Album lyrics are good for "Did they say A or B?" type of questions, because when in doubt one should definitely use the included lyrics as a reference. As for the song lyric in question, use what you think is best. Is it better to use "Come on" or is it better to use "Cha-mon"? What is more in the spirit of the song? Personally, I always thought that he was saying a Michael-ized version of "jam on", so I'm surprised that the album lyrics say "Come on." Perhaps the song was written as "Come on", but in the performance of it, it just felt better to him to use "cha-mon", so that's what came out. If you're worried about what reaction might be to the more audio-based version, leave a note on the song's discussion page about the edit.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] LyricWiki:Integration

Not priority, but since the above page is linked to in the main Help:Contents page, can you put it on your "To Do" list please. Only I think the section API might need updating and I don't know enough about all that kind of stuff to do it (or I would do it myself). Thanks.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Text indexes out of date?

Any chance you could run rebuildtextindex.php? Searches run with MediaWiki's engine aren't returning complete results (ex. this search does not include this result). Initially ran into this with the Firefox search plugin, but an up-to-date fulltext index is probably for the best regardless...

Cheers - Guest00 19:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I'm pretty sure that Rebuildtextindex is used to rebuild the default (mysql) text index. We don't use that anymore because we use Lucene Search for the searching. It looks like that index should be up to date though, but no matter what I search I still can't seem to find that page using our search bar. Something must be very wrong there, I'll look into it more.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention and for the useful links to recreate the problem :),

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 05:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've never had much success with our search, so to me Guest00's results are normal. But if it isn't, then from the results I've always got the problem is widespread. Random page example: Threshold:Do Unto Them Result.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be fixed now..If I had only known..lol  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:21, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Something still seems to be .. not quite right. demo one, demo two. Either that or I'm missing something fundamental about the way search is intended to work. But the originally-cited search string works now, thanks. :p Guest00 23:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Guest00, there is a problem with the search again since the move. See here  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:20, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Seems this is fixed now.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 16:22, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Contributions

Hey, Sean. I just noticed that, somehow, the list of my contributions are attributed instead to LYRIC-Barbarian. Was that just a result of the move to the Wiki servers, and is there a way to correct it? Thanks. --Cubs Fan ^{(Talk to me)} 17:41, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm...they've disappeared from LYRIC-Barbarian but they aren't on your account. So where are they now I wonder?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 09:17, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well at least we know where they've gone. [1]  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:08, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, same problem here. My contributions are attributed to LYRIC-Zildjan. I guess most/all usernames are wrong or in some kind of temporary state. But since I couldn't find any information about that I just wanted to let you know. Hope/Guess that get's fixed. HdEATH 09:03, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Sean, I also noticed the same problem. My contributions are now attributed to LYRIC-Leena. Will this be rectified? Thank you for all the work and time that you've put into as LyricWiki turns the chapter. --   ♪ Unpoete    talk    contribs   18:59, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Your contributions seem to be correctly attributed now Unpoete.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 06:18, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

See two users mashed into a third. Jidanni 00:03, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

See also User talk:KyleH/renames ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 07:21, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What about SMW?

Wikia supports SMW. Any thoughts about that end of things, in the coming move? --Aquatiki

*bump* - King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 14:32, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

*bump* Supporting my guys 'cos they know best ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:34, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

seriously, I want to know --Aquatiki 05:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I'll ask... keeping this section here as a reminder.... -Sean Colombo 23:39, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] SOTD

Sean,

1. I am updating this manually for the time being.
2. In the doing I have made a few improvements. One being to the Template:Song Of The Day, to provide uniformity between this section and the AOTW section on the Main page (as discussed here).
3. It obviously doesn't matter for as long as I'm updating this manually, but when/if Uber takes over, can you update him on the changes please, as I think otherwise he will get very confused :-) Thanks!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 16:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: No right click, copy and paste = No SOTD.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:32, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Hey Red!

Actually, the no right-click, copy & paste should only apply to Lyrics pages when everything works as desired. Also, I should be able to get ÜberBot to take care of it automatically.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:57, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] String functions

Looks like I can finally stop pestering you about this extension :-) It's probably a good thing I have far less time than I used to, or I'd rewrite every single template over the next couple weeks, to make use of all these shiny new toys… BTW, for some odd reason my old contributions are at LYRIC-Tenoch. Not a problem, just kinda weird. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:32, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Same for my contribs - @LYRIC-Aokii. --Senvaikis ^(talk) 19:49, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

And LYRIC-Corwin is claiming all my past contributions  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:12, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Subpages

…are now enabled in the main namespace. Considering that lots of songs have slashes in their titles (not to mention AC/DC) that might not be a good thing. (Though it's mostly cosmetic, I guess.) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:07, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Women trouble

Sean we got women trouble. SandBot's getting very jealous.

"Red", she says to me earlier, "Senv's got LWT up and running. Sean is even talking about Uber being back in action, but I still can't do anything useful to help the site. It's just not fair!"

I tried explaining to her about the trolls but she wasn't having none of it. Instead she just kept insisting I ask you again about the possibility of re-activating her. She also muttered something about wanting to help Firehawk) out. I believe she was probably referring to his request on my talk page.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 18:51, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, neato... Firehawk) would be a good use for a bot. Anywho... I don't remember what the problem is exactly? The MediaWiki API should be accessible to bots. Does the bot-framework you were using depend on the old skin?

-Sean Colombo 21:08, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Ah Ok sorry. (Since SandBot wasn't listed under bots last time I looked I hadn't actually tried). Yes, SandBot looks good to go but I think I need to change something in one of the files. user-config.py perhaps. I did try changing this to direct it to the wikia family file but that doesn't seem to be it. Any ideas ?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

@Red: I'd recommend your Woman-Bot a little flirting with Man-Bot - seems he's not having any problems :) --Senvaikis ^(talk) 08:15, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hee hee thanks Senv. I have followed your suggestion. I'm still having problems, but I'm sure we'll find the solution eventually.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:00, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] XML Parser

Is it only me, or is the XML parser a bit broken? Take my user page for instance, User:Angusi - the Twitter feed doesn't work properly, citing an error about mismatched tags. It seems the parser doesn't like self closing tags in XML documents? Is there anything that can be done about this, or do I have to start using the twitter RSS feed which doesn't include the geo tag?   ~angusi ^{(user | talk | contribs | twittr | home)} 20:00, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About increasing frustration

The only thing I miss is a relieable source for the editcount, the parser hook #ec: doesn't exist anymore and Special:EditCount isn't the best thing... You cannot sum 2 results from it up by using #expr::

• {{#expr:{{Special:EditCount/Raygun Shaun}}+{{Special:EditCount/Dotmoo}}}} = Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character ""
• {{Special:EditCount/Raygun Shaun}} = 36
• {{Special:EditCount/Dotmoo}} = 121
• {{#expr:33+121}} = 154

...last works as it should. - Chris 21:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I was about to point out that #ec works, because {{Userboxes/EditCount}} works… until I saw that Überfuzzy had changed it… — 6×9 (Talk) 06:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, this is where I've got that "Special:EditCount" thingy from. - Chris 09:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Bit of a bummer really. I also found that {{SUBST:Special:EditCount/LYRIC-Humbug}} doesn't work because it can't be SUBST'd. ♫ LYRIC-Humbug ^words♪_deeds 10:52, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking pages

Don't know if this is a bug so I haven't added it to the list but I can't seem to blank pages. (I wanted to blank a user sub-page.)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:03, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

That's intentional as an anti-vandalism thing. We had it on the old setup too. I think the thought is that if you really want it blank you should delete it (even though that's messy for some things like status pages). I tend to put just "." in the page or something if I want it empty :/ kinda weird, but it works.

-Sean Colombo 17:09, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yes I know we had it like that initially, but you changed it for us admins as I recall. Btw, I did try inserting clear on page but it wouldn't accept that either. Anyways, no problrem. I deleted page and will recreate.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:46, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

To clear a page, I just delete everything and then enter a nonbreaking space (&nbsp;). - Chris 12:51, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GracenoteBot

FYI: I see that this bot is marked as a bot, but it's still showing up in the Recent Changes even though I have "Hide bots" turned on. It makes it a little hard to patrol.  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   17:43, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that was annoying. Fixed now. Thanks!

-Sean Colombo 18:18, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

RC spamming problem solved. But how about Orphaned Pages? --Senvaikis ^(talk) 19:36, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Man, he's all about spamming our SpecialPages. I'm thinking we should prob. write a bot to create Gracenote:<Artist> pages. Kind of like what Janitor did, but it'd have to have a special case since Gracenote isn't an artist but rather a namespace. Any takers? If not, I'll probably be able to get to it next week (it could be annoying to have SP:OP broken until then tho).

-Sean Colombo 22:02, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Apropos "Gracenote", is Special:Random intended to lead to Gracenote pages, too? - Chris 21:23, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Mainpage meta-tags (keywords)

I think the keyowrds for the mainpage could be chosen a lot better than they are now. Current keywords:

lyrics,LyricWiki,lyricwiki,Main Page,Main Page/Header/en,Community Portal/Editor's Corner/en,Karhu,Karhu:Sinfonia For The Blunt Sword (2008),Main Page/de,Main Page/el,Main Page/es,Main Page/fi,Main Page/fr,Main Page/ja

Only the first two are sensible (afaik keywords are treated case-insensitive). Let me comment on the other ones:

1. Main Page
   • The first page displayed when visiting a general URL usually is the main page, why point that out?
   • Who would search for "Main Page"?
2. Main Page/Header/en
   • Why should the header be interesting?
   • Who would search for "Header" or "Header/en"?
3. Community Portal/Editor's Corner/en
   • The keywords are to represent your LyricWiki project, and the editor's corner is not what forms the page
4. Karhu
   • Why such an unknown artist as keyword?
   • Karhu is the exact opposite to a gold-artist (just red-links, only one album)
   • Karhu certainly is not the mainstream-search-term (Michael Jackson or the artists from the iTunes- or common charts would be)
5. Karhu:Sinfonia For The Blunt Sword (2008)
   • This album only contains redlink-songs and should NOT be the figurehead of LyricWiki
   • This album is from last year, so not the one people are currently searching for
6. Main Page/de, Main Page/el, Main Page/es, Main Page/fi, Main Page/fr & Main Page/ja
   • Who would search for that?

As keywords are used to categorize a page and therefore are important whether the site is displayed as a result for certain searches or not, sensible keywords would be:

lyric,lyrics,lyricwiki,music,song lyrics,artist,correct lyrics,actual lyrics,translation,translated lyrics,justin bieber,taylor swift,michael jackson,iyaz,rihanna,britney spears,lady gaga

The last 7 are to be updated every few weeks. What do you think, as member of LW:1? - Chris 21:14, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I assume Karhu and their album somehow ended up in there because they're the Free Album of the Week… It might make more sense to use the iTunes Top Songs titles & artists for tags instead. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:37, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Oh of course, I see. However you're right, either the tags are for popular searches or for general searchterms.

N. B.: The current tags brought LyricWiki to the 22^nd rank in the Google results for "karhu sinfonia for the blunt sword"; not bad, but who'd rather search for that than for "free music download" in general? - Chris 21:47, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic points all around, guys :) Those are pretty horrible keywords. They're currently generated automatically by MediaWiki based on the links on the Main Page. There are really two issues here:

1. The Main Page could use some work in what it's linking to at all. I have some ideas and will be throwing up a proposed new design within (I hope) the next couple of days to get some feedback. I spent a lot of Friday talking to someone who has made successful Main Pages which brought other wikis a lot more traffic, a lot more user-friendliness and even some better search-engine-respect (don't worry, there' no shady link-exchange stuff required or anything like that).
2. If the meta-tags are still lame after the re-design, then I'll have to dig my hands into the code and fix that.

-Sean Colombo 00:11, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Moving weirdness

After using batchmove to clean up some double artist I saw this in Recent Changes. The page was moved correctly though, and in the move log it shows up normally. Not really important, just… weird. (And where does "Language/Serbian" come from???) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:19, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is strange. Let me know if you see anything like that again. It almost seems like the RecentChanges data got corrupted (which shouldn't be possible).

-Sean Colombo 18:45, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lyric page external links

Since the right-clicking is disabled on lyric pages, it would be nice if those external links on the page opened in a new tab/window. Just putting that out there since it popped into my head.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   08:54, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Press CTRL while clicking on them.

However it usually should become a standard that links to external pages leading out of the LW-Project are opened in a new tab/window, because you don't want your visitors to be led out by the links but just offer them additionally. Furthermure it's confusing if you go to musicbrainz f. e. and suddelnly have no LW-window anymore; and it can be quite annoying to close MB because you think of "leave MB" as "close the MB page" and then everything like your history or all edits made before following an external link from a preview-page are lost... - Chris 16:11, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] iTunes linkmaker

It seems that the output format produced by the linkmaker has changed. That alone wouldn't be too bad, we'd just have to update the documentation, but apparently not all IDs produce working links with our templates anymore. Senv provided two artist examples here, and I couldn't get a working link for these two albums – linkmaker produces "…/id29468538?i=29468502&uo=6…" but neither "id29468538" nor "id=29468538" work in the template. Can you try to figure out whether we need to update our templates? — 6×9 (Talk) 20:57, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

One more sample, - just to show that effect isn't page title-specific: Robert John. --Senvaikis ^(talk) 21:46, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Don't know how it may help to understand what's going on, but I found at least one feature, common for all artists with invalid iT: all their releases are VA compilations. Strange xml page, mentioned in my post to 6, contains working iTunes link them; example for Robert John:

<Document disableHistory="true" disableNavigation="true">
 <Protocol>
  <plist version="1.0">
   <dict>
    <key>pings</key>
    <array>
    </array>
    <key>jingleDocType</key>
    <string/>
    <key>jingleAction</key>
    <string/>
    <key>action</key>
    <dict>
     <key>kind</key>
     <string>Goto</string>
     <key>url</key>
     <string>
      http://ax.search.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/advancedSearch?artistTerm=Robert+John
     </string>
    </dict>
   </dict>
  </plist>
 </Protocol>
</Document>

[edit] Blocked?

For reals? -SeansClone 07:50, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Guess not, huh? :/ -Sean Colombo 07:51, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, RegexBlock. For a second, I thought I'd read RedxxBlock. Dang. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:36, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

 ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 08:51, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar Items

It was commented on my talk page that there isn't (any more) a link to the Community Portal or the Help Desk on the sidebar. I know you're trying to rework the sidebar (and it's much less...overwhelming now, thank goodness), but are these to return? Thanks,    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:59, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Percent sign in page names

Pssst… over at LW talk:PN. Trainman has problems with it which I couldn't reproduce. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:00, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, looks like it's been resolved. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:02, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Minor problem for when you need a break with the big stuff :-]

User-blog:LYRIC-Kiefer needs to be moved to User-blog:Kiefer. (Hrmmm. How does one link to their blog? I had to us the one-bracket method. Two-brackets were a red link.) I'd like to blog about a few music things, but I'd like to keep everything together. TOR said he was going to do it about a month ago, but I'm guessing it got lost in all the other projects.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:40, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Translation allowed?

May I translate the editor's corner into German? - Chris 23:59, November 13, 2009 (UTC)