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Contents 1 Stuuuufffff 2 With regards to the song template 3 Requesting your input 4 A complication with the artist's name 5 Did Redxx break something, or was it my IE 6/7 that is broken? 6 OK, I can't find wherever I saw it discussed so I'll ask here (probably again) 7 GOOD JOB! 8 Category Talk:Language 9 Unusual User Page 10 Is it me or Lol.gif (19kb) died a snafu dead? 11 Our Beloved friend Wikipedia 12 Re: Party 13 SOTD April 16, 2009 14 Look what I found 15 Album Art 16 {{clickpic}} 17 And I thought… 18 Less typing. 19 {{Track}} 20 Emoticons 21 WLH Equals ? 22 Music News Submission

Stuuuufffff Edit

I was just having a butchers at Category:Pages Using Hometown Template and would appreciate your opinion on Mom. Should the song page have the {{Instrumental}} template on? For reference I've found video and the audio that I think the page author listened to along with some stuff pertaining to the artist(s).Thanks. Ñô†īṃέ2çяȳ^Talk 10:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Rfl@butchers (& stuuuuuffff). Ok look now. Is best we can do under such circumstances. It may be different in non-live versions but like I said in summary, I'm sure someone will correct if wrong.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 17:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that(hee hee @butchers/stuuuffff). On another, relatively minor yet completely different subject, did I get it wrong here regarding the hometown? Someone has removed 'West Africa' which I'd entered after reading Wiki (take a gander at the edit history). I think it's all this 'state' nonsense, perhaps it should be renamed Administrative Division or better still County. Ñô†īṃέ2çяȳ^Talk 22:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Mali is a (the) country. Yes I know it can get confusing.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

"state" is just the name of the parameter, it doesn't have any meaning beyond that. ("fLetter" isn't even a word, but no-one's complaining about that one.) It was originally only meant for United States and United Kingdom (tee hee), but it's useful wherever you have enough artists that the hometowns would otherwise clutter up the country category with lots of subcategories. In the case of Mali, however, that isn't the case, so state can (or should, even) be omitted. — 6x9 (Talk) 22:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I was wrong then ;)  Ñô†īṃέ2çяȳ^Talk 23:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Mali is the seventh largest country in Africa....Africa is a continent. Don't worry, you're from the country it's probably different there ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I could of course mention Australia and Western Australia, but that would be evil. — 6x9 (Talk) 23:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, we do things different in the country _{careful, I have a pitchfork ;)}  Ñô†īṃέ2çяȳ^Talk 23:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

With regards to the song template Edit

Am I wrong or there is an extra |} at the end near __TOC__? Because I counted all the { and }, and I'm pretty sure there is an extra } at the end. -- --  Sscout    talk    contribs    ♫   00:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean on the talk page? The |} closes the wikitable that was opened by the Starbox template at the top. So yes, it's there on purpose. (Otherwise you'd see it on the saved page, even without the nowiki tags.) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Requesting your input Edit

Please see the discussion at LyricWiki_talk:Community_Portal#Poetry_on_CD. Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   22:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

A complication with the artist's name Edit

Hey. I tried to add C:Real but the colon in the artist's name confuses LW and it creates a song page. Can you help me? :) Titaki 13:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The same thing happens sometimes when you try to create song pages with additions in parenthesis, e.g. Song (Demo). It interprets this as being an album page.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 14:53, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

…which is why we have a notice with three links directly above the edit box for new pages. Hidden in plain sight :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 15:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Did Redxx break something, or was it my IE 6/7 that is broken? Edit

the last part of User_talk:Sscout/Signature Seems to be black text on black background? :P-- --  Sscout    talk    contribs    ♫   01:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Look(ed) fine to me Signature...in_Firefox (the white one with light grey and black musical note) but I think what you are seeing (since changing this)is just plain white. 6x9 uses IE6 and we often get variations with how images look. Just tell me what you want and we'll sort it..I can test in IE6 I have both ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely an IE6 thing. Which one do you want? I'll try to get rid of black on the page ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

This is what I see See what I mean?-- --  Sscout    talk    contribs    ♫   02:07, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah me too if I look in IE6 I'm onto it though ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, I can't find wherever I saw it discussed so I'll ask here (probably again) Edit

Shouldn't Artist Missing Label have some kind of instructions as to what to do ... ahh it's here Template_talk:ArtistFooter#Artists_Missing_Genre. So, shouldn't that page have some kind of info on how to correct false negatives/positives? Specially, it would help to know why i.e. 3_Doors_Down is there even though I just added genres the right (apparent) way :P -- --  Sscout    talk    contribs    ♫   02:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Categories can often lag behind – i.e. a page you just removed from one is still visible there. Look at the bottom of the page – if the category is no longer listed there, it's OK. I was going to add some basic documentation to Cat:Missing Genre, but got sidetracked somewhere… Thanks for the reminder! — 6x9 (Talk) 02:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I thought you were talking 'bout genres… (I blame the invisible category link!) For labels, the "proper" way is to use the {{Labels}} template rather than multiple {{Label}} templates. It's less work that way! — 6x9 (Talk) 02:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

GOOD JOB! Edit

Aww...thank you x  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Category Talk:Language Edit

I don't know if this is on your voluminous watchlist or not, but look here, please. --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   19:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you and yes it is on my watchlist. Ive already left a message in the user's talk page (and on 6's about him seeing as he is our German expert)and now I see the user has moved onto fLetter and that Echo has also left a message on the users talk page too. Mmmm.. ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 20:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Unusual User Page Edit

Hi Red, please take a look at this user page when you get time. Thank you,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   22:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks RD. I've left the user a note.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 22:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it me or Lol.gif (19kb) died a snafu dead? Edit

It's not loading for me here, on IE 7. and the thumbnail appears broken? I think I've seen it work before on a different pc but with IE 7 too. -- --  Sscout    talk    contribs    ♫   01:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

No it's not you. A lot of the emoticons I previously uploaded have kinda vanished. I think it must've happened during upgrade. Weird, but I'll re-upload in due course. I can't recall which one it was before but this is lol.gif now >>>  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 03:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Our Beloved friend WikipediaEdit

I noticed that you were removing some {{WP-Song}}'s from Pink Floyd song pages. I was just wondering if there is a protocol on that template, since there is a |wikipedia = parameter in the {{SongFooter}} template. Personally, I'd like to get rid of {{WP-Song}} in favor of using the footer template parameter. I'd take it that you feel the same way based on those recent edits, but just thought I'd get your opinion. --WillMak050389 04:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Has there been a discussion about this that I've missed? From what I can tell, you were removing them from instrumental pages, which makes sense. Personally, I like the more obvious WP-Song link for actual "songs" (you know...the ones with words that are sung :-] ), however. So if there's a discussion, I don't want to be late.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   05:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

No Kiefer is right Will. No matter where you put the badge, it doesn't look so hot on "pages without lyrics" ;) That is why I was removing them from those pages (and those pages alone). Like Kiefer, I also prefer the more obvious link on song pages, but in view of your feelings, maybe we should have a discussion about this in CP. I can think of at least two others that would agree with you.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that they were only from instrumental pages, I'll keep my comments about WP-Song to myself then, unless you really want to start a discussion on it. Personally, I think we have bigger things to tackle at the moment. --WillMak050389 16:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Will. Agreed.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 16:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You *can* put wp-song on instrumental pages – as long as it doesn't get into the lyric box. Two options: (1) above lyric box as usual, but followed by {{clear}}; (2) below the lyric box, e.g. after the Credits header (like here). The best thing would be, of course, to remove that pesky Banner from Instrumental, so it doesn't mess up the layout with badges (I still think Echo's idea with an icon is brilliant). — 6x9 (Talk) 15:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I tried it in every position on the page and with just about every option {{clear}} etc, before deciding that it simply don't look good on instrumental pages. Too much white space. With regards to the icon idea, there is a slight possibility I could be persuaded if it was not just a matter of removing the box. By which I mean if the {{Instrumental}} was made more stylish... ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: PartyEdit

Hey, Red. Thanks for the invite to the party at 6x9's talk. But I'm curious – what did you mean take over the sounds from Kiefer? --Cubs Fan2007 ^{(Talk to me)} 09:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Kiefer's been brushing up his DJ'ing skills. He's been changing the music for the past 24 hours. I do like most of the stuff he's been playing but I swear if hear "I'm The Urban Spaceman" one more time I'm likely to commit murder ;) Just approach him gently..I'm not quite sure how much Dr. Pepper he's had to drink.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 09:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I stopped playing that hours ago. Where have you been? Now I'm boomin' the bass on Mr. Apollo, which you'll notice is #9 on my Top Ten list. It's not helping my headache, but I've put on my "Five years ago I was a four stone apology...Today I am two separate gorillas!" t-shirt and I'm dancing through the pain. Stupid fermented Mountain Dew.... CubsFan, you can take over for a while, though. I need a bite to eat.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

SOTD April 16, 2009Edit

Hi Redxx! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Death Cab For Cutie:I Will Follow You Into The Dark has won Song of the Day for April 16, 2009!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Look what I found Edit

{{Userboxes/Kiefer'sRules}}

--    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   23:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes I saw it yesterday, but I'm not quite sure that I keep them all so...

And btw I wanted to thank you, because I didn't know it was Sean's birthday and I would've felt bad finding out afterwards. x  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:30, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome :) You need a hug emoticon --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   23:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Album ArtEdit

I suppose that (last example) is what you meant? Not that you deserve it, after the mess you made on my talk page… And isn't it the wrong season for this? — 6x9 (Talk) 15:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

I hope you had an enjoyable time and that your family are all well. Thank you (absolutely brill.)

 ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 17:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Oh and with regards to Rudolph, I didn't invite him..

If the second parameter is omitted, the caption defaults to the pagename.. As this is the problem one, is it not possible to amend this so that if the second parameter is omitted, the caption defaults to the album name (of the JPEG)? That was really what I had in mind..  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Not until Sean installs the String extension (which he won't until the author fixes some performance issues). Maybe a template that displays both header and cover image, where the only necessary parameters would be album title and year… — 6x9 (Talk) 14:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

{{clickpic}}Edit

…is no longer necessary since the upgrade. You can use [[File:imagename|link=pagename]] instead. Once S2E2 is better we will clear out all those templates anyway. — 6x9 (Talk) 10:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.. Any improvements on display titles?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Sean has to specifically enable it in the settings… Problem with it is, if page title is different from pagename people can no longer copy & paste it. (Which is vital for me with Cyrillic, CJK etc. – can't c&p those from the address bar.) So maybe Sean left it off on purpose. Anyway, for artists & albums we already have the infoboxes which display the true title; maybe we could do something similar for song (something prettier than the WrongTitle template). — 6x9 (Talk) 11:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok thank you. I can understand about the Cyrillic, CJK, etc.. Still it is a great improvement having the infoboxes which display the true title (thanks).  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Question.."which means caption will work now as well". My picture has a caption, it's in the second parameter and is the word "here". So why is it no longer showing?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Er… It is no longer not showing. It used to be the third parameter with clickpic, which didn't have a third parameter, so it did nothing. Now it doesn't. Do nothing, I mean. — 6x9 (Talk) 23:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I could've sworn the word showed..rfl..Ah well...Ok so how do I get caption then?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

You have it already :-) Try hovering your mousepointer over the image. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

It displays the link text, not the 'caption'= "here"  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

File:Replacement filing cabinet.png - hover text = "here" but no link

- hover text = "File:Replacement filing cabinet.png" and links to image file

- hover text = "here" but links to image file

- hover text = "User talk:Redxx/Archive" but links to archive

- hover text = "User talk:Redxx/Archive" and links to image file

Get a decent browser then. On my screen it pops up a tiny yellow box with the word "here". Which is exactly what is supposed to happen. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Well how weird is that? Displays the word "here" OK in IE6 but shows the link text in Firefox. Wonder if it's personal... (lol)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Maybe FF's settings override MW's – do you get similar tooltips for all links? — 6x9 (Talk) 01:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, weird.Same with my 'here'. Also, the 'y' of my sig appears to be square. Wonder if this or anything else I searched under 'Internet Explorer' in 'add-ons'might help. Naaaa, FF is still best. Ñô†īṃέ2çяȳ^Talk 01:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hover text displays ok. And your abbr displays too. But this just displays whatever link = in Firefox.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Re "decent browser": I hate to break it to you but IE6 ain't following the rules (like so many other issues between browsers...) The "title" attribute is meant for tooltips. http://gadgetopia.com/post/3206 ♫ LYRIC-Humbug ^words♪_deeds ☘ 01:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Careful – we're talking about MW here, not regular HTML. The caption parameter of an image link is not synonymous with the HTML "alt" attribute (or else there wouldn't be a separate "alt=" parameter for MW images). The MW help page doesn't explain explicitly what the caption parameter does; it obviously defines the text displayed in thumbnail mode; I always assumed it silently defined the "title" and "alt" attributes as well (unless "alt" is explicitly specified). It's possible of course it only sets "alt" and IE6 uses that as "title" as well… — 6×9 (Talk) 01:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, let's look at the source code of this page… Red's filing cabinet image at the top of this page produces:

<a href="/User_talk:Redxx/Archive" title="User talk:Redxx/Archive">
<img alt="here" src="/images/0/0d/Replacement_filing_cabinet.png" width="50" height="50" border="0" /></a>

My guess is that the "alt" attribute in the image tag overrides the "title" attribute in IE6 because the image tag comes after the link tag… — 6×9 (Talk) 01:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

So question is, can anything be done to show my hover text instead of the link?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 10:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sure. You have three options: (1) Stop fussing over such a tiny detail that no-one else is ever going to notice anyway. (2) See above, get a decent browser. (How can it be wrong if it's obviously better? I think IE6 is right and the HTML standard is wrong!) (3) See {{abbr}}. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok clever clogs ;p {{abbr}} SHOW me!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

(mid dent).....so have you given up, or was it because I didn't say please? ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 20:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

(Arabic denting?) Oh, you were talking to me? The above looks more like you were talking to the template. Not exactly a sign of sanity, but this is you after all… Not sure it would work anyway, and couldn't test it anyway (because if it only works on IE6 anyway that wouldn't help), and even if I could test it, when I have to wait several minutes for each preview because the site is so ************ slow it's not much fun. Have you even looked at {{abbr}}? It doesn't bite, you know. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes Arabic ;) Well I don't know about you, but etiquette or not, it's a bit daft to me going right down to a few centimitres per line, when there's this <<<< vast expanse of vacant white space on the left. Poor trees. (And this is me after all...) So I thought I'd try to create a sort of vertical Mexican wave effect. Intersting bit of useless information for you: Frank Zappa is credited by some with inventing a precursor to the wave in 1969 at the Denver Pop Festival in Denver Mile High Stadium when he assigned sounds and gestures to sections of the crowd and sequenced them with hand gestures (Wikipedia).

Bet you didn't know that, did you?

And yes, I did look at abbr. For quite a while I tried various options with my filing box image but all to no avail. Nothing I did changed the existent hover text of the link (being the address to the archive page) to the word "here". Yes, I could make the hover text appear as "here" but only by having the actual link address showing on the page. It was not linked in any way to the image, which is of course what I am wanting to achieve. I know I can probably figure it brain is not functioning too well atm - still a bit ill so I'll have another go soon. After all, it works in my signature (Rfl) Awwww...white lion cubs...gorgeous. (on TV). Ok back to Ronnie. There was one solitary song on his page earlier. I've got a lot of his solo albums. And for a guy with such a cheeky grin I thought he should definitely have a better page. Some of his artwork is pretty good too.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 21:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

What I was trying to suggest while at the same time trying to force you to acquire a couple new tricks, but obviously to no avail ;-) was to leave the image as-is, but wrap a <span> like the one in that template around it (only without the style attributes; just the title). Dunno whether it would actually work; if not, you could give z-index a try. I'll leave you to google that :-)

I did know that FZ used to do audience participation stuff like that; I doubt that that was the inspiration for the wave, though. (Not enough commercial potential back then.)

If your last name is Wood, I guess becoming a rock musician is the best career choice. When you never get up before noon, no-one will ever get to greet you with "Morning, Wood!" — 6×9 (Talk) 22:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

And I thought…Edit

…that the officialSite parameter was for official sites only… — 6x9 (Talk) 17:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I won't tell if you don't ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 18:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Less typing.Edit

Since you asked. — 6x9 (Talk) 23:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you but for nowiki I just have to press that button, the one in red circle ^^ up there..  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

{{Track}}Edit

You may want to check with technomunk about this template. I believe it was his attempt to shorten the typing involved in listing an album's tracks (all albums, not just Various Artist-type albums), but it had some sort of glitch or shortcoming that he wasn't happy with, and so it wasn't implemented. (It wasn't, obviously, deleted either.) I don't remember what it was; it could have just been that it was a template that merely added a level of complexity to the situation and didn't add much. Although the way you used it on In The Name Of Love: Artists United For Africa (2004) might be the perfect use for the template, as it keeps everything nice and neat and automatically puts the "by So-and-So" at the end. (Man, I love the So-and-Sos, but I hear they're not so great live. :-] ) If he says that the template is workable in this situation, then bring it up in the Comm. Portal for feedback and then we can make it officially used on these V.A. album track listings so that they can all be uniformly formatted!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Might the problem have been that it makes the links invisible to the API? — 6x9 (Talk) 18:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Sssh... ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 21:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Emoticons Edit

I was meddling in your emoticons yesterday... Don't know if you noticed. I changed image to file and added another. Toodles!    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   19:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC) PS - where are the new ones you just uploaded?

Thanks my dear. Yes I did notice..I reckon the red cross could come in well handy (hee hee). I uploaded loads more yesterday. All good ones as I'm sure you'll agree. You know how 6's nickname is "The Wizard" because of his ability to perform magic? Well this is a special one for you to use if he ever plays you up..
Rfl...  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 19:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll never speak to you again. And, unlike you, I'm actually able to keep that promise for longer than a few minutes. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL -    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   19:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

You know you love me really 6 ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 19:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

WLH Equals ?Edit

Normally I am pretty good at figuring out what acronyms mean around here, but WLH's meaning is eluding me.
Also: why do those To Be Merged articles need to be manually moved? I've never had the issue before...
Thanks!
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 07:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, OK, it means What Links Here. Fine. :P However the second question still stands.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 09:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry King, I did ask Echo once about those different sections but to be honest I'm still none the wiser, so what I did yesterday was just view them all as botable tasks and did what I could. However the ones I marked and added links to are the ones that need to be moved manually, because the song pages need to be compared by a human to establish which is the better page to keep of the two, e.g. better lyrics/formatting etc. Once this has been done I can then update the song and song footer templates (so no need to do that).  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC) and I'm very glad you found some free time again

Echo and I have kind of been forgoing that manual comparison, to tell the truth. That's how we've gotten so much done on merges. He has a script that turns a mergeto template into a redirect, and removes the mergefrom, then after that he cleans up the headers and footers. I didn't know that he hadn't showed you that yet.

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 11:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC) and me too, I do love this place

Yes, I am aware that he has such a script but I wouldn't use it because information is being lost by not comparing. Laborious though the whole comparing thing is, this is one example where I believe the unbotable way is the best.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Green pages are new, fresh out of the oven, hot off the presses. Typically a bot has made it and it's in serious need of human attention. All the songs in question are Green, there are over 637,000 of them. Cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 13:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Typically a bot has made it and it's in serious need of human attention. If bot created pages were ranked a different colour to unranked human created pages this would of course hold true. But unless a human has ranked a page Bronze during creation, or ranked it Bronze, Silver, Violet or Gold during subsequent editing, all pages will remain the default Green. The rank that (maybe with the exception of Violet) all pages were given at the commencement of the Page Ranking Scheme and the rank that all user created unranked pages get given still.

Two pages are two pages. The contents and formatting are rarely the same, whoever or whatever created them. As such I believe they should be compared before deletion and information is lost.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Pages with wrong artist names are almost always bot creations. Any edits done by humans are usually only because the page showed up in some category like SNLI. Really, the probability that any information is lost in an automated merge is close enough to zero that it's not worth the hassle of manually merging thousands (if not tens of thousands) of pages. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm talking about comparing song pages, not artist pages.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 16:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

That's good, because so was I. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

What good is the (lengthwise/formatwise) comparison for anything besides Green absent the actual song being listened to? (maybe we shoulda kept Blue, lol) That's were I'm non the wiser. Correction: Redirection is not Deletion, it's all still on lw for you to sift thru, but please don't leave them Green when you're done. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 16:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Ok well let's use by way of examples the artist's listed on the User:Kingnee1114lyrics/Sandbox/Articles to be merged page, being the ones I looked through yesterday and which I indicated need to be manually compared:

• A-Camp/A Camp
• A.F.I./AFI
• Skinnee Js/2 Skinnee J's
• Iq/IQ
• Sisqo/Sisqó
• Allison Dot/Dot Allison
• 7 Mary 3/Seven Mary Three
• Swing Out Sisters/Swing Out Sister

Now click on any of the song pages you find by following those links and then tell me that the pages aren't different.

Because if you guys can't see that in most of these cases one page is superior to to the other, is better formatted, has got more completed information, e.g. more releases, etc. then I just don't know... They are different, it can't be denied.

So far as I can see from the above, the differences of which we are talking aren't between the pages, it's between us. I think these song pages should be compared and the best page chosen to ensure valuable information is not "lost" under a pile of redirections/moves/reversions/history/logs. Whilst it would seem that you think that because there are so many pages in need of redirecting/moving, etc. this stage can be forgone. So let's not turn this discussion into something it isn't. It really is that simple.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 17:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh and today's addition: All/ALL. Bot way this page will be kept >>> ALL:She's My Ex. Whereas I would chose to keep this one >>> ALL:She's My Ex.

While the manual comparison is a bit of a pain, I applaud your efforts to not lose quality information and work that others have done. I agree that a manual comparison is best. I also agree with the others that this is a big pain, and it is much easier to do with a bot, but a bot would screw things up, as you mentioned. Thankfully, this time both points are correct, and continue on with your good work, Redxx!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   17:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Kiefer.

Bit of a pain yes, which is what was going through my mind when I said way back up there ^^ "Laborious though the whole comparing thing is.." It could even be said that "bit of a pain" is a gross understatement with so many song pages needing to be redirected/moved. But I wouldn't like to think my contributions were being dismissed because there are just so many errors in artist page names, and I don't think other contributors would like to think this is how we went about solving this problem either. Certainly not when we instruct them to exercise caution and compare both pages before redirecting.

All that I feel needs to be clarified now (for the benefit of all) is whether this way way of doing things is now going to stop. Or will it simply resume when S2E2 is back in operation?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 21:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Music News Submission Edit

Hi Red, although I know I could add this myself, I figured you might want to touch it lightly before it goes to the Music News page. --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   22:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)