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LWChris

aka Chris

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127,547 Edits since joining this wiki
June 15, 2008
  • I live in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
  • I was born on October 14
  • My occupation is IT student
  • I am male

Another questionEdit

Hey, sorry if I've been coming to your talk page too often, but I have a question. How can I rename myself? I...kinda don't want this username anymore, and I'd rather be Nicolas-1223. Could you tell me how to do it properly? Yesterday I tried renaming my userpage but it erases all my info (contribs, avatar, etc.), so I had to move it back to XxTimberlakexx. I'd rather you explain it to me than do it yourself. :P XxTimberlakexx (talk) 18:26, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Nic,
renaming in MediaWikis is very expensive regarding server's CPU time, which is why they don't do it very often as far as I know. See WP:RENAME on Wikipedia for more details. - Chris 21:39, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Need your help Edit

Hey, Chris, sorry it took so long to respond. I'd love to help manage SOTD with you. I've already cleared out a few with unsuitable reasons. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 01:38, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Cool! You agree with me that the Admin page needs some better functionality, though? - Chris 01:42, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
I dunno, it seems to work fine for me. But anything to make the wiki better, I'm all for. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 02:16, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
I thought about several improvements:
Admin page
  1. A textbox for admin comment/rejection reason
  2. Better sorting of nominations (prefdate by prefdate asc, pending by nomdate asc, other by nomdate asc)
  3. An option to instant-delete a nomination (for spam and bots)
  4. Pagination for the nominations
  5. Quick link to remove the prefdate
  6. Make it possible to mark an accepted song "pending" again, for when you accidentially accepted one too early, you can delete it from the queue then and reset the nomination status
  7. Apply the same status to multiple pages (by checkboxes)
  8. Accept multiple nominations (checkboxes), be referred to an interim page where you can put the numbers from 1 to X in an extra textbox to define an order before they are enqueued
  9. Make more buttons for quick-maintaining
  10. Dynamically settable character-limit
User page enhancements
  1. Add a text box to specify displayed username (only logged in users, tribute to you Wink)
  2. Propagate the help
  3. Change "I nominated this song because..." into a non-copyable explaination like "Tell us, what makes this song so special compared to all other nominated songs."
  4. Check for bad media ids and refuse nomination acception
  5. Warn user when a preferred date is already taken by others, so they can decide if they want to try nevertheless
  6. When reviewing your nominations as logged in user, show all nominations by that account
  7. Make a nomination in two steps: 1) artist + song 2) media ids (with search links) + other stuff
  8. Displaytext for artist and song
System changes
  1. An additional state to mark a nomination "needs improvement", so no long "pending", once reviewed they're either "n. i." or "suitable"
  2. Raise minimum character count
  3. Limit number of submitted nominations per day and user
  4. Limit number of nominations (count: pending, changed, rejected, needs improvement) in queue by user
Bugfixes
  • prefdate-noms that passed their prefdate are shown "accepted" although they were not (only affects the Admin page)
  • Nominations containing a " are cropped behind that character in edit mode
Feel free to comment on any or add more. All are suggestions, imagine a "(?)" behind all issues except for the bugs, of course. - Chris 14:37, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
I need to get these done, reading them almost 3 months later, and they're all great ideas! - Chris 04:19, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Cruel Summer (2012)Edit

Hey Chris. While doing work for the red links on the iTunes top 100, I noticed this compilation Cruel Summer (2012). Now, many, many artists from the GOOD Music record label collaborate for some of these songs. So I'm not exactly sure if some of these should get collaboration artist pages made (like I did with John Legend & Teyana Taylor and Kanye West & Big Sean), or if they should just go to a single artist and credit the rest using the "fa" section of the Song template. I'm a bit confused since iTunes credits all the artists for some songs, while other sources cite several artists as the artist with several featuring artists. Could you somehow fix this up to avoid confusion? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 19:39, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Nic,
hm, from what I read about it @ Google I'd say none of these songs is by a main artist with features; in my opinion they are all co-productions, also because this album is meant to be a collaboration. In this case, the unsatisfactory answer would be: we need collaboration pages like the ones you created. However I feel that the problem is that this way we'd need tons of redirects, too. For example, what you created at Kanye West & Big Sean:The One should actually be Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius:The One (according to Wikipedia). So we'd need the artist page Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius, and redirects like Kanye West:The One for Big Sean:The One and so on.
I'm not very enthusiastic about such artist pages that A) likely nobody will ever search for B) almost nobody will find or use and C) that will never be populated by anything besides that one song. Nevertheless that is the only clean possibility to avoid a red artist links on the song page (dirty solution: we set the artist to one of them and use alias for the display text). I'm not so sure whether any of this possibilities is actually fully satisfactory - maybe 6, Senv, Trainman, Hard4me or Eeepy have different/further thoughts or more elaborate solutions on how to deal with this album. - Chris 21:43, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
Alright. Well, I fixed the first two songs from the compilation to meet these standards. I'll hopefully do the rest later (this is a popular album at the moment and has many songs on the top 100 currently, so I want to get this done soon). However, two songs on the album actually ARE credited as a main artist with features, so I'll leave those be. (Cold and Mercy) XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:30, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not too keen on having to create artist pages for those either. I'd prefer an alternative Song template, called {{SongCollaboration}} or something, with artist1, artist2 etc. instead of one "main" artist. I'm too busy right now, but I could get working on it next week – if it's what we want. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:39, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
That was also my idea, a template which supports adding of multiple equivalent artists opposed to main artist. A quick approach is {{SongCollaboration}}, not tested though, I'm in a hurry. - Chris 14:20, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Frozen namespaces 2&3 Edit

Hi, Chris

first of all - thanks for help with User:Mimbyus :). But haven't you noticed lately, that difficulties on my user or talk page loading (we've talked about them on various ocasions) now became typical for most other users also? Or that's only my exceptional impression? --Senvaikis (talk) 11:33, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Senv,
all active users accumulate more and more badges as time goes by.
Talk pages you visit are usually those of us admins (or users with many contributions), I guess? Well, these are the users who are affected by the problem when many badges slow down the page generation (PHP) and rendering (browser).
But there's an easy workaround: whenever I try to access any talk page, I copy the link target from the context menu, paste it into the addressbar and manually append ?useskin=monobook. This overrides the skin selection for that page (in case you didn't know). So I avoid loading all the badges and can access talk pages without having to switch my skin in the preferences all the time.
(To quote you:) HTH, Chris 20:52, September 24, 2012 (UTC) Smile
The trick really helps to overcome the freezing - thx :). But it didn't help to understand what may so impede the loading of user talkpages, taking now >1 min (or freezing at all) even for such users as Mimbyus, with all his 36 edits :) --Senvaikis (talk) 05:54, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Ohhhh, now that I visited the page, I can see this is a bug!
For me, it says Mimbyus has 36 edits and 70 achievement points, #1000 (minimum); so far nothing special. But it also states he had 108 badges, the latest one for adding 11.750 pages to categories. At this point, I realized that those are actually my 108 badges. Every user has my 108 badges displayed for me, even you with your actual 3,500 ones. So what you experience at the moment is what I used to get when I visited your user- or talkpage and all your badges were appended. If you'd visit the same pages but logged in as Lwt, it should display no badges and loading is really fast.
Now it all makes sense, like that I didn't have problems with user pages lately, not even when trying to load your page. I will report this bug now. - Chris 13:53, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
RT #53252

SongCollaboration Edit

Hey Chris,

I hate to bombard you with so many questions, but I checked out your SongCollaboration template and attempted to use it and, well, I guess I used it wrong. Have you tested it out yet? If so, you could show me the page you tested it out on, so my error could be fixed, and I could retry using it on some pages. The documentation on the template page is a bit confusing as well. Thanks! XxTimberlakexx (talk) 18:54, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Quote by LWChris: "A quick approach is {{SongCollaboration}}, not tested though, I'm in a hurry.". - Chris 22:34, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius:The One
In case you were getting weird brackets on the pages you tried it on: my fault, I forgot two closing brackets. When you look at the code, you will know why I didn't see it Lol - Chris 22:46, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, alright. Well, the good news is, I got all the songs from Cruel Summer created, and created the singular artist redirects for each one as well Grin However, some problems/questions:
1. When some of the artist collaboration pages for songs from this album show up on the iTunes top 100, they will show up as red links. Should I redirect the "artist page" to the song itself?
2. On this song, this song is the only collab song on the album with 7 artists, which maximizes the total on the SongCollaboration template, which is six. Could you possibly extend it so it can include one more artist?
3. I only added the SongCollaboration template for songs on the album by more than 2 artists. Should I add it for the 2 artist songs as well, since they only collaborated for one song and don't really need their own page?

Thanks in advance, bro Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk) 23:30, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

  1. In my opinion: yes.
  2. Done.
  3. See 1)
Night, Chris 23:38, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Loops Edit

Basically I could make {{SongCollaboration}} use loops to extend it to handle an infinite number of artists (theoretically, current loop iteration limit per page is 80 or something, and few iterations are "used" by {{Caps Check}}). Fun fact: although the number of artists increases, it would shorten the code. - Chris 23:38, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Max. number is 100, actually. Should be enough for ridiculous numbers of artists and still leave some to spare. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:26, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Switched to loops. (Might eventually do the same for fa#, also in {{Song}}.) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:48, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I was about to ask whether this was a voting for loops and whether I should refactor the code. Thanks for doing this already whilst I wrote this.

Maybe a parser hook extension would be useful for something like this, maybe in other wikis, too. Syntax:

{{#list:a|b|c|d|e|f|g}}
  • Loop over all parameters called a1, a2, ... until a(n+1) doesn't exist.
  • Prepend "b" to each a(i)
  • Append "c" to each a(i)
  • Use "d" as separator between the first n-1 items
  • Use "e" as separator in front of the last item
  • Prepend "f" to the whole list
  • Append "g" to the whole list
  • If n is 0, don't generate output at all (not even "f" or "g")

Example output with {{{a1}}} = 1, ..., {{{a5}}} = 5: "fb1cdb2cdb3cdb4ceb5cg".

Sensible example:

{{#list:a|(|)|, | and |Some numbers: |.}}

Output: Some numbers: (1), (2), (3), (4) and (5).

You can enable an additional hook #listv:, which uses variables instead of parameters (requires Variables extension). - Chris 16:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Keywords Edit

One question to you, 6: why did you remove the hidden span? I'm pretty sure we inserted it so that the first links on the page are the artists. This was crucial for MediaWiki to generate good meta-tag keywords, wasn't it? - Chris 18:29, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can't find the discussion anymore, but a long time ago there was a weird bug when songs and albums started disappearing from their respective artist's WLH. We couldn't figure out the reason, so I tried whether invisible links at the top wouldn't fix this. ([1] & [2]) The disappearances stopped, but I've no idea whether the links actually had anything to do with it and if they're still necessary.
Anyway, for this template I didn't think the possible fixing of a minor bug was worth the huge amounts of extra code. I never even thought of meta tags though, guess we should check whether it makes a difference. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:11, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Keywords for Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning: (scroll to the far right)
<meta name="keywords" content="The Morning lyrics,Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj The Morning lyrics,The Morning by Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj lyrics,lyrics,LyricWiki,LyricWiki,lyricwiki,Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning,Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning,Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning,Raekwon,Pusha T,Common,2 Chainz,Cyhi Da Prynce,Kid Cudi,Cruel Summer (2012),D'Banj" />
Looks like it "gets" the visible links just as well. Odd that D'Banj appears after the album; maybe because it's a red link? — 6×9 (Talk) 19:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
The One lyrics
Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius The One lyrics
The One by Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius lyrics
lyrics
LyricWiki
LyricWiki
lyricwiki
Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius:The One
Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius:The One
Kanye West, Big Sean, 2 Chainz & Marsha Ambrosius:The One
Kanye West
Big Sean
2 Chainz
Marsha Ambrosius
Cruel Summer (2012)
The Morning lyrics
Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj The Morning lyrics
The Morning by Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj lyrics
lyrics
LyricWiki
LyricWiki
lyricwiki
Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon, Pusha T, Common, 2 Chainz, Cyhi Da Prynce, Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi
Cruel Summer (2012)
D'Banj
Not perfect but quite okay. Could be a problem though that keywords are comma separated, so it might be interpreted as
The Morning lyrics
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi & D'Banj The Morning lyrics
The Morning by Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi & D'Banj lyrics
lyrics
LyricWiki
LyricWiki
lyricwiki
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi & D'Banj:The Morning
Raekwon
Pusha T
Common
2 Chainz
Cyhi Da Prynce
Kid Cudi
Cruel Summer (2012)
D'Banj
Not sure this is enough to downvote the page via Google algorithm for keyword spamming. - Chris 20:54, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Timeouts Edit

Is it just me, or do [3] and [4] take ages to load? Nope, scratch the "load", they just timed out. Can't be the loop though, I tried to open them before I saved the template. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:48, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Timeouts confirmed for Kanye West, Jay-Z & Big Sean:Clique and Kanye West, Chief Keef, Pusha T, Big Sean & Jadakiss:Don't Like. - Chris 16:20, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Status refreshment: "Clique" is still stuck, but nothing suspicious in the contents. Purge didn't help, either. Any ideas? Anyone? - Chris 22:37, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
The other one's stuck again, as well. Going to edit mode directly doesn't work either, so it can't be the content. Can't even open the history. Editing through API works normally though. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:12, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
I contacted the Wikia support about it. So far, it's four pages:
RT #53459
Chris 20:10, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I noticed just the other day, every page I went to was incredibly slow and wouldn't show the changes I made to the article. They showed up in the history but not in the current iteration of the article. It's fixed now, however. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:35, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
Finally they are back! - Chris 18:52, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Album of the Week Edit

Now, I know I brought this up to you once before, but Hard4me is yet again being lazy with Album of the Week. I reminded him several times on Facebook, yet he ignored me and left it as it is. I am just curious; is there a way I can update it/manage it for some time since it doesn't seem like he is going to update it much anymore? I'm not talking about taking over the project, I'm talking about simply having the power to update it when he does not take care of it for an extended period of time after it should be changed, like now. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:34, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if you read this message yet, or checked your talk page for that matter, since it's been a day since I posted it, and I saw you editing today. Just posting again so you get the New messages reminder. Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk) 01:32, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I thought I had answered about it yet. Well, I think you should be able to do all possible steps. Those pages are not restricted to any other user permissions than "Administrator", so it should be ok. And I think, there is no reason why you couldn't change it.
I also saw your nomination for AOTW. I think you should spice it up with wikilinks before it goes on the mainpage sooner or later. Maybe, we need to disable AOTW soon. It's fun if the main page changes its featured topic frequently, but I think it's very notable that you cannot come up with 52 superb nominations per year... I also wanted to redesign the help section. - Chris 17:45, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, great! I just updated it, I hope I did everything right. I updated the template, left a message on the nominators' talk page, and updated the list of past Albums of the Weeks. Speaking of which, could you archive that list for me? It hasn't been done for over 2 years, and I'm worried I'll mess something up if I try to do it.
And sure, I'll add some wiki links to my nom. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 16:28, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for archiving the AOTW stuff! Grin I'm going to take care of Album of the Week for a while, since Hard4me is probably not going to update it again. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 00:39, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Special Pages not reloading Edit

For some reason, Special:Deadendpages and Special:DoubleRedirects are stuck with info from Oct. 10. Can they be refreshed? Thank you.--Vincent Liu (talk) 10:59, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

They are refreshed by a script run serverside. I don't know why it's not running, but I'll issue a bug ticket if it doesn't solve within the next few days. - Chris 19:01, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
Still no signs of updating... --Vincent Liu (talk) 00:39, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll file a ticket. - Chris 10:57, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help! --Vincent Liu (talk) 12:48, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
RT #57058
- Chris 22:34, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
The problem was solved tonight after a Wikia supporter put the maintenance scripts into the queue. It only took so long because I filed the report only yesterday. I'm still in contact to find out whether it'll now be updated daily by default, or whether it's done manually from now on. I'd prefer the first version. - Chris 19:21, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
The special pages doesn't seem to refresh every day, like it used to. --Vincent Liu (talk) 14:11, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
Reported. - Chris 14:55, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, it was re-triggered manually once again, but the issue is now also looked at by developers whose attention was brought to this now by the supporter. I'll post status updates here. - Chris 20:13, October 29, 2012 (UTC)
Seems to be working again. - Chris 03:27, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Edit wars Edit

Thank you for letting me know about this. I will try my best to cease starting/getting involved in edit wars and I understand. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:56, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the quick response. But what about the non-lyrics now? Senv is apparently not having an opinion or is unwilling to share it. I guess he sees no point in writing it down if it's ignored. I think you understood by now that re-inserting that lines without further notice appears to be a bit "sneaky" from our point of view, and I'm confident you'll do better next time. And as always, I'm not keen on making a big thing out of this, so please re-join the conversation and let's try to find a uniform rule to handle this. I think we should keep the page as it is for the moment to avoid cluttering up the history even more. - Chris 23:05, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
Quote by LWChris: "Senv is apparently not having an opinion or is unwilling to share it"? Funny. I definitely have an opinion and have shared it but seems it should be repeated here: I'm with 6 (contra non-lyrics inclusion except for cases when that may have some common-sense) and Chris (pro inclusion unless it doesn't have any common-sense). Hope you see that logical meaning of both formulas are the same. In other words, - I'm definitely contra mandatory, blind all non-lyrics (Doo-wops, vocalises, vocaleses, scats, noises etc.) inclusion. So, next to Chris, I'd also left one line of the non-lyrics, followed by "...".
I suspect that again may be insufficient, so here's one more my opinion: page just can't be left as is after three other admins have pointed more or less expressed disagreement - not because that's very important for the page or these admins. That's more important as imperative, obligatory for any LW page editor, and young admin especially. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Updated the page according to current consensus. Let's hope it stays that way... Anyone volunteering to update the help page? — 6×9 (Talk) 10:54, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
Also, thank you for letting me know about this subject matter. I could still update the AOTW but I've just been so busy with school and all lately. Thankfully, Nick has helped me with it lately. But not that many people are nominating as much as they used to. Right now, I need to get back on my project so just leave a message on my talk page if you need anything else. hard4me (talk) 15:11, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
@Senv: Thank you for pointing it out again, I've been reading the post again and still couldn't find it as clear as you wrote it here (just something like "your opinions are the same, and it's the only possible way"). But I was also tired yesterday evening.
@Hard4me (I think I knew your name once, but I can't remember atm >.<; was it something with D?): It's okay if you don't have time to update things, but next time we'd appreciate a really short notice that someone else should take it over. This helps a lot. Smile
@6: I'd be glad if somebody else could take the update, I'm bad at writing common rules. Blush - Chris 18:50, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
@Chris: Hard4me's name is Dylan. :P Also, if Hard4me doesn't want to update AOTW anymore, can I remove his name from the template and everything and replace it with mine? I'd be glad to update it regularly.
Also, quick question: I updated AOTW today, since it's been a week since I put White Blood Cells up, but I think I did it a day early. Is that okay? Like, I put White Blood Cells up from Oct. 13-20, but then when I was putting up Tuff Enuff, I realized all the requests from before wait an extra day before putting up the next one, so I put the date for Tuff Enuff as October 21-28. I'm sure it's not a big deal, is it?
@6: Can we remove the parentheses from the ellipsis that follows the "Da da da" on Roundabout? It looks better without the parentheses, and I've seen other lyrics sites do it that way. Also, can we add the (doo doo doo) next to it since that's repeated as well? So in result, it would look like this: Da da da da da da da (doo doo doo)... XxTimberlakexx (talk) 12:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
^ I posted this over 2 days ago, reminding you just in case you didn't see it. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 01:32, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
I've no real preference for "..." or "(...)", so you can remove the parentheses if you want.
The "doo"s only come in after the third round of "da"s, so putting them in like you suggested above would actually be "wrong". Therefore I'd prefer to leave them out. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:33, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, got that fixed. Now we just have to wait for Chris to respond to his portion. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 01:28, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
AOTW thing is okay, I think we can forget the "of the week" anyways if you look at the durations the albums were. One day more or less is not that bad, I guess. A general rule such as "every Monday" would be desirable, though. - Chris 14:12, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, great. I'll remove Hard4me's name from the template and the nomination page and replace it with mine. But that sounds good, I'll update it every Monday then. I'm a bit confused though; if we are going to update it every Monday, then will the next AOTW be from the 29th (October) to the 5th (November)? Because from what I've seen, the albums don't change until a day after the week is up, so if we were to update it every Monday, the next one would be from Nov. 5th to Nov. 12, and obviously the 5th is the final day of the one after Tuff Enuff. What should we do about this? Should we let the albums stay as AOTW for a full week and update it the day after the week has passed, or update it on the exact day a week has passed? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:14, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
About the name: yes, I think it's not a problem if you change the name until Dylan says he's not so busy anymore and wants to take the project again. We can change it back easily then. I think it's okay if you update the AOTW any time on Mondays (the 29th for example) and the AOTW date is meant to be inclusive, i. e. from Monday to Sunday. So current one would actually be 22nd to 28th, and the next one would be 29th to 4th, and so on. It currently says "to 28th" but the change happens on the 29th, because it's meant like "to the end of the 28th". So actually the change would ideally happen at 0:00:01 a.m. at Oct., 29th, but that's not possible, so you change it on Monday, and the timespan is Monday to Sunday. Like with SOTD that is daily updated at 9 a.m. Okay? Smile - Chris 22:09, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, great! I just fixed Tuff Enuff, as well as the one before it (White Blood Cells) using that information. I'll start updating it on Mondays. Thanks for informing me! XxTimberlakexx (talk) 23:47, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Got some bad newsEdit

Welp, after updating AOTW today, I realized there is only one nomination left, which is my nomination of Tears for Fears's Songs from the Big Chair. After that gets put up next week, then what should we do? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 20:09, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Either you make some nominations up, or maybe ask CubsFan, or we simply hide the section. As I said, I feel it's a dying section. We couldn't even keep up with "Free Music of the Month", so how are we supposed to do it weekly? - Chris 21:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Well, I can't be the one to nominate everything. Other users should participate too. Do you think we should advertise it more? Like, maybe put something on the main page that encourages users to nominate an Album of the Week? I know there's tons of editors here and I'm sure they'd want to help.
Also, I feel that Free Music of the Month was a worse section than Album of the Week. After all, you can't find that much free music anymore. Album of the Week, however, has more potential, and I feel that we should keep it because if we just have Song of the Day, it'll feel a bit plain. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:11, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
Well, then go ahead and advertise. I can't make up album recommendations, there's barely an album I entirely like. I will soon come up with two though, but not now. - Chris 21:06, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
You want me to advertise it? I'm very bad with wiki coding. I was thinking of putting some fancy template thing on the main page that encourages users to nominate an album of the week. Maybe a yellow template, similar to the one we had when we changed our nomination form for Song of the Day, and it could say something like "LyricWiki needs your help! Nominate an album of the week!" (the second sentence would link to the nomination page) or something like that. I know Senv and 6 times 9 are probably pretty experienced with coding and stuff and they could do something similar to the box we had that encouraged users to nominate SOTDs. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:49, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
I once set up a global and a localized main page announcement system. Not sure it's still working, probably not, since the change to the new main page basically removed all functionalities... I'll re-add that box for you. Some first editing was done here. - Chris 23:20, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
That's perfect! The part I don't understand though is the first portion that reads "Your name on our main pages...". What did you mean by that? Anyways, hopefully you can put it up soon, I might nominate another album after Songs from the Big Chair to give it more than a week to be set up and seen by users, and hopefully we'll be racking in the noms soon. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 00:07, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Well, if you nominate an album, your name will appear one week long on our mainpage, won't it? I was referring to that. You may edit the note to "Your favourite album on ..." though, if you think that's better. Smile - Chris 00:26, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, I did that. Now, when will you put it up on the main page? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 14:10, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
Might take a little while, I'm so busy and working on the main page template is so time consuming. Maybe on Saturday. - Chris 23:35, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Alright. I'll remind you on Saturday then. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:21, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well, it's Saturday! When will you put it up today? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 15:36, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
Looks good! I just wish you added the page to nominate songs somewhere in the template as well, or else inexperienced users to the wiki won't know where to nominate their album. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:32, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
Go for it Wink - Chris 23:47, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Missing </lyrics> in song pages Edit

Hi, I came across the song Breakdown Of Sanity:One Bullet Left with a missing </lyrics> at the end of the lyrics. The song footer was (validly) present as well but obviously interpreted as part of the lyrics. The thing is, the missing part apparently leads to the assumption by LW that the page itself is valid as it was only added to the category "Green Songs" but not missing song footer what'd seem legit in this case or another likely category implying an error on the page. I am sure I came across several pages before with a missing lyrics at the end but never recognized that the page wasn't added to any categories that'd help to find these faulty pages. But in this particular case it's rather ugly to see the song footer in the lyrics (or any other information that's added at the end by users in general). However, maybe there is a (hidden) category for this already and I didn't find that one? If so how is it called? If not, any thoughts about this making things easier to find those pages? - MusicAddict (talk) 19:24, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for letting me know! As far as I know there is no such category, and I'm also pretty sure that it's technically not even possible to have such a category:
Pages are put into categories by writing [[Category:Category Name]] on the page. That can be done manually in the edit window or in the right-hand sidebar when in edit mode. Alternatively that text might be "hiddenly*" put there by what is parsed from our templates. Within LyricWiki, 99% of all [[Category:...]] texts are added by the templates on the page. Here comes why a category for the missing end tag issue is impossible:
  • Pages are rendered "one way", from top to bottom. That is: the {{Song}} template can't find out which other templates are there below. Only a template after the {{SongFooter}} would be able to notice that it's missing. As that template wouln't be rendered as well, this is impossible.
  • The other option is that someone put the category manually on the page. Does anybody do that, does it make sense to do that? I think not. Hihi
There is a way to find such pages though, although it might be something only a genius with great software could possibly do: {{SongFooter}} puts all page into the hidden category Song. If we compare all pages in Green to Gold Songs to all pages in Category:Song, the ones missing in Song should be the ones without a {{SongFooter}}.
There could still be pages missing both, but those are simply not findable by categories or anything else than explicitly checking all existing pages.
Chris 23:34, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

* ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) English! Y U NO have adverb for hidden? Wink

Yes, such check is possible. Was lazy to search for some other song with the same defect, so temporary undid correction of Breakdown Of Sanity:One Bullet Left to make sure that Chris' algrithm works as supposed.
Hope to include it into Lwt equipment, thanks for nice idea ---Senvaikis (talk) 13:12, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Completed Done. Never thought that number of such Footerless Songs* may be over 500! Here are also results for footerless Artists* and Albums*. --Senvaikis (talk) 17:36, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
P.S. * - fixed already.
P.P.S. Fixed completely - now only one "artist" remains footerless :). --Senvaikis (talk) 21:48, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Senv, you're awesome! - Chris 22:28, November 15, 2012 (UTC) P.S.: My awesome stats table tells me we have violet pages, what about those?
Yes, your stats table is really awesome, but take a look at very similar table - it's not so pretty as yours (being a half-year older), but oriented on slightly different stats (counting by pagetype, not by color). Now, after forgotten Violet categories (Singles too, btw) were rechecked and fixed, and looking at this old table, I have a question: why is the sum of all-colors Artists is still greater than Category:Artist.count, even without footeless Wizard? The same may be said about Songs (with 3 T-Lines) and Albums (5). What I'm still missing here? Or just all these pages should be simply touched, forcing such way refresh of the categories? --Senvaikis (talk) 19:28, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
Most likely there are pages in multiple color-categories. I used Special:CategoryIntersection to find out that
are in Category:Green Artists and Category:Bronze Artists. Don't want to manually check all other combinations right now, I'm working on including the announcements atm. - Chris 19:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
Well Done! Well, - seems this initialy negligible issue led us (me at least) to some remarkable discoveries. If you are working on announcements, I think it's time to make some barriers for:
  • {{Star}} using on page,
  • multiple {{Song}}s
  • most manual categories (I'd even think about strictly templates-driven categorizing)
--Senvaikis (talk) 22:16, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
You mean we should introduce include guards for single-use templates? This was not so difficult to achieve and could solve 1 and 2.
The problem is your number 3: although I also wish for "strictly templates-driven categorizing", we might need a lot of additional templates, depending on how many categories we introduced (such as Category:Christmas Songs). Furthermore removing the "Categories" section of the editor is possible, but it can't prohibit of category-links in the editor textfield. - Chris 00:16, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
So, what do you think, should we add an include guard? And Senv: I enhanced my stats table based on yours... - Chris 05:21, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
One of the first things I did when we got variables was to include a check for multiple song templates. It massively backfired -- apparently every single song page ended up in there once it got through the job queue. Maybe a counter variable would work, checking if value > 1 in SF.
As for finding footerless pages: How about using Category:Song? Add it both to tl:S and tl:SF, but with space (0x20) as sortname in the former and pagename (>= 0x21) in the latter -- last sortname overrides previous ones. Same obviously for other pagetypes. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:17, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
@guards:I'm not so good in templating as 6, thus can't judge if preventing of multiple pagetype redefining is really impossible.
@footerless pages detecting: 6' approach should work, I suppose. But agree - from methodical point of view it isn't very perfect. Let me stay a dreamer and ask you: why can't MWApi alongside with CategoryIntersection have also a "CategoryExclusion" function, returning something like "select page from allpages where page in catA and not(page in catB)"? That would make such detection as easy as pie :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 12:01, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
…A maxdepth parameter for intersection would also be useful to include subcategories, though potentially too expensive… — 6×9 (Talk) 12:37, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
@guards: I thought about we could do it the way C programmers prevent duplicate inclusion of their header files:
{{#if:
{{#var:templatename_included}}
|[[Category:Error]]
|{{#vardefine:templatename_included|1}}ALL THE CONTENT
}}
@footerless: great idea with the overridden defaultsort in a maintenance (spell checking that word every time, although I always spelt it correctly so far) category! Haven't though of that, yet. - Chris 19:36, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
@C-type guard: Problem with that is that the job queue will probably throw lots of pages in C:Error, but when you open them they'll have only one instance of the template, and on touching they disappear from C:E. Like it happened in the past with lots of other debug categories. It should work with #ifeq instead of #if though. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:37, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
No idea why the page render engine does that, because undefined variables are expanded to empty string by default, but maybe the #var: hook is not written properly, like the keyword has to be "activated" for the hook which is not done on server purge, thus instead of {{#if:||}} it parses {{#if:{{#var:x}}||}}...
Anyway you're right,
{{#ifeq:{{#var:templatename_included}}|1
|[[Category:Error]]
|{{#vardefine:templatename_included|1}}ALL THE CONTENT
}}
is safer, and it allows us to "unset" it from other templates by redefining it to 0 (if that should be needed anywhere). - Chris 05:11, December 10, 2012 (UTC)
I've made {{IncludeGuard}} and, for a test run, included it in Album and -Footer. No false positives so far, and one page actually turned up in Category:Page with multiple AlbumFooter templates. I suspect we can expect a couple more with {{Song}}...
...Damn, should have included the defaultsort check while I was at it... Oh well. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:53, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

It's working!Edit

Hey bro, Nicolas here. So, I noticed the AOTW ad you and I worked on and placed on the main page is somewhat working! I've seen 5 new nominations as of recent, but two are very short and need to be edited. I figured we'd see some short nominations since that ad will attract newer users and even IPs to make nominations, so y'know. Anyways, I just wanted to let you know the ad is working, and hopefully AOTW will be back in the groove soon! :D XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:10, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Great! Soon I'll add my nomination, too. Just thinking of the text to write. By the way: I think it's legitimate if you "enrich" the super short nomination with facts around the album, like adding the genre or release date (for example changing "This album" to "This 1995 Rock album"), or some other interesting facts such as re-releases or awards, if there are any to write about. - Chris 19:31, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, great. Anyways, I'd rather not "enrich" other users' nominations, because some of the nominations are only one or two sentences, so enriching it in your standards wouldn't really do it any good. And in the Album of the Week criteria, it says to nominate an album for why you like it, and not just base it on releases and awards and all that jazz. So I can't really enrich other users' nominations because I don't know their detailed thoughts on the album they're nominating.
Anyways, quick question: Are EPs eligible to be Album of the Week? Nothing under the criteria really says whether the nomination has to be an album or if EPs are included as well. I know for a fact studio, live, and compilation albums are acceptable, and singles are definitely not, but what about EPs? I know it's not called EP of the Week, but I was just curious if they were acceptable or not.
Also, very sorry for the late response, been dealing with real-life stuff lately. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:40, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
About enriching: IMO facts belong in there in any case, but okay.
About EP: I think, as long as there's enough variety, it's okay. I'd rather not accept an EP that has the same song in 4 different versions, but else I see no reason for declining it. - Chris 23:27, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
I know facts should definitely be there, but the nom shouldn't be strictly facts. It should include why the nominator likes the album as well.
Alright, great. I'll add something to the criteria on the nomination page that only studio albums, live albums, compilation albums, and EPs can be nominated if they have variety. Thanks! XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:18, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Accepting nominations Edit

Yeah, I usually do read the reasons, but that I think that Glee cast song had a preferred date that, relative to when I accepted it, was just a couple days away. Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 01:43, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, just make sure they don't jump the queue with a nearby date, and we needn't accept any nomination, especially not if the nomination states that the lyrics are wrong. Ideally, we'd only have gold songs of course, so the better the page, the better for us Smile - Chris 18:22, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Help with lyrics Edit

If I help with Krematoriy discography, can someone help me with p-funk lyrics?

I need lyrics for two Fred Wesley & The Horny Horns albums (mostly instrumental, so I think you don't have to do much) and So Goes The Story of Eddie Hazzel. I am from Brazil, so I have difficulties to understand those lyrics. Anyway, if you can help me, I'll be grateful. Lucswalker (talk) 22:29, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, I corrected your post and formatted it, so others can read it, too. You needn't "trade" with help, though. I will look into it. - Chris 22:03, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

SOTD December 26, 2012Edit

Hi LWChris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Eminem:Stan has won Song of the Day for December 26, 2012!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot (talk) 08:00, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

A favorEdit

Hey Chris, could you do me a quick favor?

I just recently batchmoved Cee-Lo to Cee-Lo Green but I just recently found out that batchmove was wrong and I should have moved it to Cee Lo Green, without the hyphen. I usually don't do batchmoves too much because they flood up my contributions for a few pages, and I usually use my contributions as a reference so I remember what I have to work on, so if could you batchmove it to Cee Lo Green for me, that would be appreciated. If you don't want to, that's fine, I understand; as I can just ask another admin. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 14:29, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, but not today. Am way too Tired Wink Chris 03:30, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
I understand. Do it when you're ready. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
Done. That were a lot of edits... phew... - Chris 02:42, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I hope you were okay with doing that. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:53, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hadn't done it if I wasn't Wink 306 edits (including the ones from Special:Batchmove) - Chris 04:28, December 29, 2012 (UTC)]
That's quite a bit! :P
Anyways, happy New Year's Eve! Just updated AOTW for today, looks like we need to archive it again as it's the last one for this year...I feel like I ask you to do quite a bit of stuff, so I might ask 6x9 to do it instead Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk)
Done. Fun fact: I'm writing this two minutes after I got the email that you edited my page - yesterday. I guess, the Internet is kinda... busy atm. - Chris 06:58, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
Aww, you didn't have to. Nonetheless, thanks! You saved me some time there. :P Yeah, sometimes I just feel like I ask you for too much, so I was just mentioning that to you, so you could decide if you wanted to do it or not.
Anyways, looks like we've run into a dead end with the Album of the Week noms. It's Monday already and there's no new noms yet. I'll have to wait 'til next Monday then, and hopefully a nom or two will float in by then. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 19:34, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Did you see the above message? It's been a week. Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk) 11:52, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did, but what should I answer/do? Hihi - Chris 21:50, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
Welllll, I was hoping you were gonna tell me what I should do, now that it's been 2 weeks without nominations. It's the first time the streak's been broken for several months. Sad XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:27, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Hehe, but what could I do? Unfortunately I can't perform magic to fill the queue with fresh nominations Grin. As I said, I think AOTW is too frequently, we do not get 52 nominations per year respectively one per week on average... - Chris 15:53, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
Haha, yeah. Well, what could it be then? Album of the Month maybe? Or should we just remove it altogether? I'm more for the former - but I am against removing it, as I feel if we just had Song of the Day, it wouldn't be enough. Even if we went for Album of the Month, that would screw up the archives for Album of the Week unless we make it a whole new project instead of renaming Album of the Week to that. The banner on the main page attracted a few noms at least, but not enough fuel to keep it running. We'll have to think of something with the other admins. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 14:35, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
Ya forgot to respond xP XxTimberlakexx (talk) 11:36, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
No, I didn't forget or overlook this, but as you said: we have to think of something with the other admins. I cannot decide what's going to happen with it, which is why I can't respond here what to do. I'm waiting for you to post this question at the admin portal Wink - Chris 17:04, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, alright! Thanks for letting me know, I will bring it up in the admin portal soon. :) XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:28, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

AufstehnEdit

Joined here.

Collaboration template & Wikipedia link Edit

Thought I'd bring this to you since it appears you were the last person to touch the Collaboration template: something is causing an "extra" Wikipedia link to appear at the bottom of the box. I noticed this while editing McGuinn, Clark & Hillman, but it seems to be happening with every use of the template, even in the example that's part of the documentation on the template page itself. Trainman (talk) 00:39, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed thanks. Indeed I inserted the code bit that was causing this. I thought it'd be nice to have all the links like YouTube channel, Wikipedia article, Facebook page etc. for the collaboration as such, too, instead of just for the single persons. I needed this for the Ö La Palöma Boys. I copied most of the {{ArtistHeader}} code, but forgot to remove the wikipedia2 bit which is already in use for the second artist. - Chris 00:50, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, seems like if the collaboration is "big" enough that it has its own YouTube channel, Facebook page, etc., it would usually be getting the full Artist template, not just Collaboration. But I can see why those options might be useful to have in the Collaboration template, just in case. The documentation should probably be updated to mention that they're available, I think. Trainman (talk) 01:01, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Look at the page I mentioned, they are not "big", they do not have a common hometown or even state, they are both normal people who had outstanding success with a funny song. - Chris 01:03, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

TouchEdit

Hi Chris

Can you possibly run a 'touch' on Category:Homeless Songpage? Right now there are 4460 songs in there, but some have valid SH artist and will disappear after the touch. LW did have this problem back years ago too!
Another issue, Why is it that Janitor is incapable of creating artist pages for those homeless songs? thanks!
-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 22:50, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Echo / Hi Sierra (which one do you like better?),
yes, I can touch these pages. I guess it happens when Janitor creates the artist pages and the song pages weren't edited after that. As categorization is triggered on edit, they aren't recategorized yet.
I think the problem with Janitor is probably that he is operating solely based on Special:LonelyPages. This page however is stuck, because Janitor doesn't have an algorithm to resolve page names with two colons. So instead of tidying up 1000 songs per day, he only does 153. We need to tidy up that page.
Furthermore pages in Category:Homeless Songpage are those of which the artist pages do not exists, which is why we know they aren't backlinked from there. Special:LonelyPages however only collects pages without any backlinks. The first page in the category (1-Lyfe:Instruction) has a backlink though: an album page. Thus it is never found by Janitor. We should maybe train him to work on that category, too.
Chris 00:23, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
P.S.: You should update your signature, it still uses lyricwiki.org Grin
Completed 4467->(touched)->3443 --Senvaikis (talk) 08:37, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chris (ES is fine),

If that is the case, Janitor can be trained to touch the pages within the name space of every artist page that it creates. This can be easily tested to so if solves some of the problem.
Can a category be defined for pages that have more than 1 colon? (see the manually defined Category:Colonized) Resolving pages with multiple colons (currently 609 of them in Special:LonelyPages) can then be done, since it will be well defined small set. To make it bot-able, then the bot would check the Colonized Category and figure out where the page belongs.
Good to see the bureaucrats are on top of the technical issues! And thanks to Senv for his usual teasing & breezing drive by Smile
and one more q: whatever happened to {{SUBST:FLETTER}}, it doesn't seem to work!
-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 00:34, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your attention for detail, but now that you mention it, I think I'll keep the sig as is, as a time capsule Oh

SOTD February 02, 2013Edit

Hi LWChris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Wise Guys:Facebook has won Song of the Day for February 02, 2013!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot (talk) 08:00, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Black Forest WizardryEdit

Herr Chris
As the two BC's from Deutschland, would you and 6, plz, nail down the abbreviation to be used when we need a German identifier tag? Currently, we have:

  • DE, GE, Ger, GER, German artist, German Group, German rapper... (it's murky to me Blush have mercy on the occasional contributors)

I brought it up @ Help Desk, gave Latvian & Norwegian examples, I think I broke the desk ;) My reference is: ISO 3166 Wikipedia16, which corresponds to Top Level Domains. LW tamed UK, now let's conquer the world...

-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 02:03, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
What is an "identifier tag" use for? Usually, it'd be "de" if you refer to the top level domains. In sports, our athletes are usually referred to with "GER". On our cars, we have "D". So what kind of "identifier" do you mean? (Anyway, if you say we always use "uk", we should probably stick to "de", because in sports "UK" is "GBR" and on cars "GB" AFAIK.
All I know is that in LyricWiki, we have often used ISO 639-1, see {{TranslatedSong}}. - Chris 19:02, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Identifier tags are used when multiple artists have the same name and in order to disambiguate them the artist page name is tagged, plz see Category:Disambiguated. examples related to Germany:

Obviously the same issue can come up with other countries too:

Now, ISO 639-1 is language based, which doesn't apply to this case, since we are differentiating by country, that is why I think ISO 3166 Wikipedia16 is more appropriate. Hope that is clear. cheers -- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 21:17, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Aaaaaah, now that I understand what you mean by "identifier tag", I see the problem. No matter what, and without looking in the ISO article yet, I'd recommend not to use "GE". I'm pretty sure nobody in Germany would ever associate that with Germany. I've always been fan of the three-letter abbreviations from sports, because I could always guess the correct countries. That's why I'd prefer "GER" if for some reason we cannot use "DE", how maybe most of us Germans would abbreviate it. Keep in mind that "Germany" is just the latin-based exonym, whereas the autonym is "Deutschland", usually abbreviated "DE" or just "D" by ourselves... So in this case, "ISO 3166-1 alpha 2" (DE) is good. I want to read the opinion from 6, though. We can choose from this if you will. - Chris 23:15, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good to me too (alpha 2, that is). A couple curious points though:
  1. Finland has FI, so not all derive from autonyms.
  2. What, no England or Wales (not to mention Gibraltar)? So maybe they aren't countries after all? *ducks and waits for the thunderbolt to strike*
  3. Most people (including me) would intuitively use UK instead of GB, so we might want to allow or even enforce that. It's also more polite to the folks in N. Ireland and Gibraltar. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:31, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
We should also be careful with state abbreviations. Moldova and Maryland are not the same. So if we make this into a policy, we should explicitly state (*groan*) that the latter should be "(US-MD)" or something and definitely not "(MD)". — 6×9 (Talk) 09:31, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Or, we could simply have our own country code table here as a help page, where we can use alpha 2 as base, and pick our favourite one from the other ISO codes if we feel the alpha 2 isn't well chosen for our purpose. We could then easily refer to this table, like "Use [[link|this]] list for the abbreviations.", which is probably easier then "use alpha 2, but for X use Y" plus 34 other exceptions.
Above and below the table we add a link "This list doesn't contain the country you were searching for? Then please ask on our Help Desk about it so we can help you and probably update the table." And if somebody would ever ask for Maryland, we could still say "please refer to it as US". We needn't use "US-DE" for Delaware or "US-MD" for Maryland, that's what {{ArtistHeader}}.state is for. Wink - Chris 13:54, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
…unless there are two (or more) US artists of the same name. "US-DE" vs. "US-MD" looks friendlier to me than "US Dark Grindcore" vs. "US Christian Grindcore" or something.
Agree though that a short(-ish) table of most common country codes and a link to the ISO table for the rest might be the best option. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:12, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Why a short table? It's alphabetically sorted, so there's no need to reduce the size. You should be able to find as many countries as possible, let alone because the artists who will have an identifier will more likely be from smaller countries, because the rule is that the less known band gets the identifier.
Additional advantage of our own table: we can even have duplicate entries for one country code, like "England => UK", "Wales => UK" and "Great Britain => UK". - Chris 14:19, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Featured PageEdit

Hey Chris, do you have an idea of what we should change our Featured Page to? The Rolling Stones' 50th anniversary was 6 months ago Tongue I honestly have no idea what we should change it to. There's not really any big musician deaths that I recall hearing about, or any anniversaries...maybe a music event coming up? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 14:24, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I assume you needed time to think about this Tongue It's been over a week, any ideas yet? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:48, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Actually I think I typed an answer but didn't save it when I closed Firefox. I was about to say that I have no idea which event or occasion we could feature at the moment, so maybe just comment out the section. Next event I am aware of is the Eurovision Song Contest in May, but it's very limited to Europe, although I don't have a clue of popular American music events, besides the Grammy Awards, but these are already over this year... - Chris 17:36, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. Well, that's a bummer. Maybe we could feature albums that have been released recently? Just an idea. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 13:49, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Admin review Edit

LWChris - can you or someone else please review the actions of admin 6 x 9 in his massacre of many hours of user labor on the Depeche Mode page, please? He feels Singles should not be listed unless they contain exclusive content, for redundancy purposes supposedly. Can you please weigh-in on how a thorough page warrants being stripped of its content and left a mangled mess of inaccuracies? For instance, he deleted Singles of "Dreaming of Me" and "New Life", which even according to his own standards, contained non-album tracks. I would appreciate any comment, as I do not feel it is right to undo so much legitimate content because one mod wants it that way. I know I will not be participating in this site anymore if so many hours of work can be undone on a whim. Thanks for your opinion

Re: SOTD Edit

Yeah, I've tried to when you're not available, but the damndest thing happens. I click the arrow up in the right-hand corner to open the window and select songs that are suitable, but when I click "Apply", nothing happens. It doesn't seem to be a browser problem, 'cause it's happened in other browsers I've tried, and I just tried clearing my browser cookies and still zip. I'm at a loss to what's wrong, and with no idea what's wrong, I have no idea how or what to fix. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 06:17, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cubs, I think the problem is the arrow in the right-hand top corner; if we are talking about the same thing, it is the white circle with the black square and the arrow pointing to the top right corner, meaning that it enlarges the table. The point is that this is just a preview for tables, which is however not offering the functionality of the form itself. If you need custom CSS improvements because the "Reason" column is too wide, use this:
/* Downsize the reason-column */
tr.accepted td+td+td+td,
tr.pending td+td+td+td,
tr.changed td+td+td+td,
tr.declined td+td+td+td,
tr.suitable td+td+td+td {
max-width: 175px;
overflow: hidden;
}
/* Hide declined nominations */
tr.declined {
    display: none;
}
Chris 06:30, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
That helps a little in understanding what's wrong, but computer coding isn't really my thing; what do I do with it? Copy and paste it somewhere? --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 06:37, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
I figured it's a bit trickier since I can't find a page to put custom CSS. I have to go now, but I will insert it in the global CSS this evening. - Chris 06:50, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
Not sure you've already noticed it, but I've edited the global CSS to make the Admin page usable. HTH, Chris 13:19, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

White Christmas Edit

Hi Chris-- You locked Olivia Newton-John:White Christmas preventing the page from being created, but I'm trying to resolve that title in the Other Songs section of Clint Black's artist page, and discogs, amg and allmusic all show that it's an Olivia Newton-John recording with Clint Black as a featured artist:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Clint+Black#q=white+christmas&t=&p=1 http://www.allmusic.com/song/white-christmas-mt0003331004 http://musicbrainz.org/recording/c682786b-1639-417b-8487-7a5c8ff3456f

Will you unlock this page and allow me to create it? Then I'll then be able to redirect Clint Black and Kenny Loggins (the other fa on that recording) to the correct page. --Jomidi (talk) 11:39, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jomidi. That page is on the Gracenote take down list. Cannot be unlocked without causing legal problems. --ES (Talk) 12:35, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. How do I deal with a page that should redirect there then? --Jomidi (talk) 22:31, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

You can still redirect to it, then users will see the same warning etc. Sorry I am late answering! cheers --ES (Talk) 00:28, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
To put it frankly, I don't see any reason why can't be such page temporarily unlocked, created and some metadata filled-in, alongside with initial fraction of the lyrics (and mandatory {{gracenote_takedown}}), if relations with other songs or artists are important for some reasons.
Otherwise that would mean we must unprotect/delete/protect all currently existing GN-taken songs? --Senvaikis (talk) 08:00, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
I don't see a reason why we shouldn't fully unlock it, but here is a reason why we should. I'd suggest either moving the GN page or (preferably) create a redirect to it via API or double move. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:19, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Leaving aside my opinion about GN, this time I should note that there are two different "White Christmas" indeed (one - with John Travolta, other - featured by Kenny Loggins & Clint Black), so I'm not sure if such moving or redirect would be righteous...--Senvaikis (talk) 13:55, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Dang… no GN redirect then. Doesn't change the fact that GN obviously managed to license the lyrics (& either "forgot" some instances, or anonymous bot wasn't able to unprotect), so we should be allowed to display them. If you think that's too risky, we could still move CB:WC to ON-J:WC and apply the takedown requirements. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:15, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
We are allowed to have all the metadata. The page is admin-only editable. That's what either LW:JE is for, or just another reason for meta data transclusion.
Didn't we already have many cases were pages were silently coming back @GN but not @LW? I'm wondering if there's an easy way to find those... - Chris 20:52, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
Chris, 6, Senv...take a look at: Barney Kessel, Dizzy Gillespie and Milt Jackson pages. Those red links were due to GNTD, right? Same goes with the old OS list at Oscar Peterson. Where are such soongs listed?
Can we remove those red lists? All the artists I refer to were instrumentalists, and hardly ever sang and if there was any singing, it was by a vocalist like Louis Armstrong or Ella Fitzgerald, and the lyricist was the likes of Gershewin.
So exactly what is going on? Instrumentals can't be copyrighted, can they? The lyrics of those songs already exist elsewhere on site, legally I suppose. tia --ES (Talk) 13:08, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

...'t would be nice if someone here returned to the top of this thread - to refresh the memory (what this discussion has started from) and reward finally Jomidi's patience... :)--Senvaikis (talk) 13:51, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good point. So, repeating explicitly what I already asked implicitly above: Shouldn't we simply remove the protection, since the lyrics *are* already licensed? Then Jomidi can move the Clint Black page, and if GN or the copyright holder complain we can still apply the takedown. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:59, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
I'd say we should - why must we be more strict to ourself, compared to GN? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:07, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, Jomidi should be happy now! If anybody was going to stick their head out onto the chopping block, it'd better not be a BC! So I suppose all those red links I refer to above can be undeleted, right? And I bet most of them are Instrumentals, or if they contain actual lyrics, it was misattributed to the artists. Do any of the BC's intending to attend law school yet? :)) --ES (Talk) 19:18, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, all. --Jomidi (talk) 20:56, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
Here are my answers to all the questions I've read above:
  • For more details on why I protected GN pages instead of GracenoteBot, please read this page.
  • As far as I remember, we are allowed to restore all pages that Gracenote has lyrics for.
  • We can of course always remove redlinks from OS sections.
  • We may not restore pages that were taken down but Gracenote hasn't the license for.
  • We can find all Gracenote takedowns here. - Chris 14:21, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
  • We can find takedowns with GN pages here (but I think this category is not functional by itself, because re-categorizing of the current takedowns only is applied when we save or touch the page. That is: we need to touch all songs in C:UL after GNB has run to make C:TwG work.
  • Pages that could not be restored by GNB are in here. However I'm not sure this is working, because I've never seen C:RPNA populated with any page.
Chris 14:21, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

gracenote idEdit

Hi Chris,
do you know what the <span id="gracenoteid" style="display:none">... bit on song pages is for? Because, after Wikia apparently disabled dynamic page listings, it stopped working. I'm just wondering whether we should badger Wikia to restore it, or just remove it altogether. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:33, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, looks like Wikia just installed a new version (?); still doesn't work though: Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 1.9.0 : Warning: No results.6×9 (Talk) 10:35, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I've never really understood what that identifier is for or how it works, sorry Blush - Chris 21:35, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

SOTD March 13, 2013Edit

Hi LWChris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of MC Hammer:U Can't Touch This has won Song of the Day for March 13, 2013!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot (talk) 07:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

däs European abteilungEdit

ESC --ES (talk) 19:56, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Is LyricWiki:Affiliates still relevant? I looked for it in vain on the main page and just saw it's only linked from one of your archived talk pages. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:08, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
It is available through the navigation, via Advanced > About LyricWiki > Our affiliates. I've never known what that should do exactly, though.
However I could imagine a cross linking from our start page to the ESC-Wiki (like currently with the rolling stones wiki) and from their pages to our song pages would help. - Chris 22:02, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Good Faith & Top 10 ListsEdit

Hi Chris, Maybe you can explain this bunch of [Good Faith & Valid Top Ten List edits]. I've only seen those items on a map, they belong here just like a top ten list of fruit & vegetables. Blush --ES (talk) 10:27, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I explained what top-10 lists are for and asked him/her to re-add this content as user blog posting. I will delete that TTL soon. Thanks! - Chris 00:27, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Artist of the MonthEdit

Whoa! You didn't tell me you were going to go with Artist of the Month instead of Album of the Month - I'm assuming you scrapped the latter project? Since you've been ignoring the Album of the Week section on the Admin Portal, I wasn't sure what the heck you were going with. Nonetheless, this looks really good. We can go places with this for sure. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 00:54, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it seems like I haven't seen your post. We do not have an "Album Of The Month", because "AOTM" is reserved for "Artist of the Month". I thought we'd decided on Artist OTM because there's a lot more to write about an artist than about an album. - Chris 22:33, May 3, 2013 (UTC)
Well, your wording on the Admin Portal was vague. When you said you stayed up all night creating "AOTM" and said the first one was going to be "Joel" (while linking to Deadmau5), I thought you meant Album of the Week since it has the same initials, and I thought you meant you were going to make a Deadmau5 album the first AOTM. My mistake. It was just a miscommunication, is all. Smile The thing is, what if we don't get any nominations for Artist of the Month either? We only have one at the moment, and I don't know if it's going to go from there or not. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 00:23, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I'm glad to hear this miscommunication cleared up now. I think, instead of slowing down the album of the week, the artist of the month is a lot better, because it's actually something new. The good thing is that we only need 12 artists per year, which is a very long time. So yes, in the beginning there are only a few nominations, but AOTM is quite different from SOTD and AOTW, I think.
The good thing is that, opposed to songs or album, artists evolve so there's a lot mor to speak about. And I feel like for the first time, we have done away with stricter rules what to write about. Thinking about the many blog posts, we might have a start where to ask people for nominations. I like deadmau5? There's no reason not to express why. Opposed to AOTW, I am not forced to present something that I might only like in parts. You don't like a certain song? No problem, do not mention it, there's enough to write about.
We can easily encourage people to write more. "Why do you like the artist? What makes him special? What makes his music so special? Which are your favourite songs any why, and which would you recommend? Are there any fun facts about the artist, what is he like? How did you get to know him, what was your first song, which memories do you have? Do you have favourite albums, what does the artist think about these albums?" Anything that comes to mind, write it up, as there's a lot of space for your ideas. That's the big advantage I see in AOTM, and that's why I'm a lot more confident in AOTM than I was in AOTW. - Chris 23:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Skin changes Edit

Hi Chris

I'm Skektox. I talked with Senvaikis days ago about use LyricWiki's lyrics pages in external app, modifying css. I talked with Sean about this too, and told me that I can do this, but his opinion isn't official. I think that official and explicit permission is better :)

It's very simple. I only add a reference to new css stylesheet, overwriting certain elements (footer majorly). Javascript for tracking is enabled, and the ringtone ads are visible (can be bigger, in wikiaapp skin are very tiny...)

I can send you the stylesheet if you prefer to take a look.

I don't modify anything else of the page's content, only styles.

Cheers, and thanks for your time.

Skektox (talk) 21:03, May 15, 2013 (UTC)Skektox

Hi Skektox,
I'm not sure I fully understood what your changes are going to do. If you are asking us/me to add CSS class names to our templates, so you can modify/hide that with your CSS: that's doable, no problem. If you want to modify our CSS in a way that is also visible on our webpage, I think I would like to review that first and get a second opinion from 6x9 (you're at the right place here though, so I'm not redirecting you there, I'll just ask him to join this convo, although I'm pretty sure he's already read it anyway Wink). - Chris 00:14, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chris
I only add a reference to new CSS in my app, not in your skin.
My CSS file overwrites styles of your webpage. An example:
.footer{
    height: 0px;
    width : 0px;
    visibility: hidden;
    overflow : hidden;        
}
This section of my CSS overwrites the style of class "footer" in LyricWiki page.
LyricWiki page isn't modified. It's the original page, only adding a line like this:
<link href="css/myCustomCss.css"rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
It's ok?


Thanks for your time :)

Skektox (talk) 08:15, May 17, 2013 (UTC)Skektox

I think that would actually change our page, or it would add a link to a file that is not present on our servers. Furthermore, I'm not sure we can add such technical things on our own, we could maybe ask wikia to add a custom line.
But what kind of app is it anyway? I think our mobile-skin could already be the kind of skin you are searching for?
- Chris 17:57, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Examplelyrics

Example

I talked with Wikia three weeks ago, and told me that I must to contact with LyricWiki's admins :). My app is an Android Application that presents lyrics. Now, I use wikiaapp skin. But my users tell me that bottom of page have a lot of links, and don't fit with my app's design (looks like a website, not like an app)
Maybe I didn't explain well what I want to do (I'm doing my best with English...). It's only wrap styles in wikiaap skin, using a new CSS stored in my assets folder. I want show something like this:
Cheers
Okay, I think I understand now. So you are asking for a possibility to hide our song footer (which is responsible for the links to the external sites) in your app. I think at first we need to wrap all the content that our footer generates with an element that has an ID or at least a unique CSS-class to make it possible to add CSS that affects the complete footer. As I am a web designer, I've always tried to add IDs and classes to my new templates.
Next we need to inject your CSS files into our page when they are viewed through your app.
I'm somehow not happy with generally adding a link-relation to a custom CSS file, because that means that every app that uses the skin will send an additional request to its own file system just to see that there is no such CSS file in their assets. Is it possible that you inject your <link rel="stylesheet" ... on your own, like explained here? - Chris 18:45, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, now I inject to the lyrics page my css like the method explained in StackOverflow link. My question is about using this method :). Doing this it's ok?
Thanks Chris! Skektox (talk) 18:59, May 18, 2013 (UTC)Skektox
Aha, ok! The whole time I though you were asking me to add that injection into our skin permanently! I think as long as you are keeping JS enabled and the ringtone ads visible, hiding the footer is okay. As far as I know we do not have any agreements with sponsors anymore. We once had on with akuma, but it timed out a long time ago. - Chris 19:18, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I edited our templates now. Our song footer is now surrounded by a div with "songfooter" as id. Sometimes, there are additional external links added to the song footer. If I haven't forgotten any, you should be able to hide all of them by hiding the "extlink" CSS class (.extlink { display: none; }). - Chris 20:18, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much Chris! You're the best :) I'll use this class in my css ;). I'm sorry for be annoying, but I think that was better get explicit permission before wrap your CSS. Next step, improve my english. XD Skektox (talk) 21:22, May 18, 2013 (UTC)Skektox
For the records: I tried out my changes and got a nice result with this Stylish style:
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("lyrics.wikia.com") {
.wkMobile #songfooter,
.wkMobile #gracenoteid,
.wkMobile #wkMainCntFtr,
.wkMobile #ranking-star-icon,
.wkMobile .extlink,
.wkMobile .noprint { display: none }
.wkMobile .rtMatcher { margin: 10px 0 }
}
I'm just waiting for the queue to catch up on this edit to make the first backlink to the artist invisible because it's just there for the keywords. - Chris 21:29, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Deadmau5 Edit

Chris, really nice write up on Deadmau5, old friend. May I suggest a copy things? Btw, missed you! BeatriceBlue (talk) 14:56, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hello Beatrice,
what do you mean with "suggest a copy things"? Do you mean "a couple of things?" If so: sure, what is the matter? I wondered where you were... - Chris 18:48, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, "a couple of things." Oops. Forgive me. I recently lost my eyesight. I've made a mess of loads of stuff. Hopefully it will come back, but I'll just have to wait & see (no pun intended, but that definitely made me laugh!). BeatriceBlue (talk) 10:23, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Dear me, so you are currently blind? I'm shocked! Shocked I didn't even know blindness could be temporarily if not for maybe a few minutes. What did you do or what has happened? How are you reading this, do you have someone to read and type for you, or do you use a screen reader? Does LyricWiki work well with screen readers anyway? - Chris 00:12, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
I missed this. Probably because I was blind. LOL Screen readers (& friends) work well, yes. A sewage pipe had broken on my house & sewage had leeched into my garden, where I played with my dogs every morning. I got some bacteria into my eyes & that's what caused it. My face around my eyes blew up like a balloon, too. Not at all pretty. The swelling went away fairly quickly, but my sight has been very slow coming back. They weren't sure it was going to, or whether I'd get it all back. We'll just have to wait & see. Haha! - BeatriceBlue (talk) 05:49, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can't figure this out, old friend... Edit

This album (Happy Birthday) says it's by various artists when it isn't, yet I cannot find why or where it says that. Please help? BeatriceBlue (talk) 10:20, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it says "various artists" because on the album page everything is fine. If you are talking about song pages, then you likely used "compilation" as album type, which is a reserved type keyword for various artists releases like Bravo Hits for example. Use "type=compilation album" to fix that. - Chris 00:08, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Many album pages have been showing this minor issue recently, opening and saving the page without any edit will correct the album header artist. --ES (talk) 00:14, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thanks, I haven't seen any album page like this yet. The weird thing about it is that nobody has changed the {{Album}} template for months. Hm... - Chris 14:08, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, ES. Much appreciated. It was driving me crazy. Not on song pages, Chris, on the actual album page I gave you a link to. Under the blue 'Edit' link at top it now says "Album by Altered Images.", it used to say "Album by various artists." I'm just assuming that ES already hit save for fix it. (I actually wrote this before Chris's response above, but guess I didn't publish it. Oops!) BeatriceBlue (talk) 17:23, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

AOTMEdit

And suddenly, I am starting to worry about Artist of the Month a little bit now...looks like even having something on the front page for one month might not be enough time to garner a good, considerable amount of noms. Cubs Fan's nom was the only one nominated that whole month Deadmau5 was AOTM, and I'm worried if it's going to slow from here, because it hasn't exactly gotten a dynamic start. :/ Any ideas? Could we maybe advertise it on the front page again like we previously did with AOTW? I have a few ideas for AOTM noms, but don't have time to nominate them currently because even though school is ending, I have a summer project I'll be doing soon. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 16:51, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I'll ask some people personally if they could add an AOTM. As I said, the good thing is that it's quite easy to write this. You should really try to do it now. It took me 20 minutes, everybody can spend 20 minutes into writing something like that. Please don't hesitate, there's no reason, it's easy, and every single one is very durable. Wink - Chris 19:50, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
Okay ^^ I should have some time within the next few days. I just wanna wait until I'm in the mood to pump out a good, thorough nomination instead of being forced to right now Tongue Don't worry though, I won't forget! On the other hand, do you have any more artists in mind you'd like to nominate? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:41, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
Sure Hihi, do it whenever you like. As I said in my first nomination, I don't really have favourite artists other than Deadmau5. My music library underlines this; top 7 artists ordered by number of songs:
  1. Unknown (368) - mostly some mp3 or wav samples for when I remix music, or some sound files (voice recordings from my Let's Play videos or so)
  2. Deadmau5 (59) - a lot of different tracks
  3. Otto (26) - a ripped CD from a German comedian, mostly not music or parodies
  4. Transport Gigant (24) - Soundtrack to the "Transport Giant" PC game, by "JoWood", a corporation that doesn't exist anymore
  5. Die Prinzen (15) - One album, which was the last AOTW
  6. Clinik (10) - A free promo album of someone I met at Omegle
  7. Wise Guys (9) - German a-capella comedy
The only one I could maybe recommend is Al Bizzare (5), somewhat the Russian deadmau5. However, he's not existant in our database and I only know these 5 tracks by him.
For all others there are only a few tracks. Best example: I have 3 tracks I produced on my own. Some of the people "below" me:
with 2 songs and even more well-known people with only 1 song. As you can see, I actually listen to everything. Name me one genre, I'll name you a song of that genre that I listen to. Wink - Chris 22:04, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
Interesting! You seem to be well-varied with your music choices. Also, you say you listen to every genre? Do you listen to any IDM? It's actually a pretty obscure genre but it has its fanbase.
Also, I just nominated a new Artist of the Month, Electric Light Orchestra Grin. For some reason though I feel like I should elaborate more on the band's history, but I don't want the nomination to be too long. I just feel like it's missing something key for some reason. I can't really pinpoint what it is, though...I feel like it ends a little too prematurely. I might alter it before August comes around (which seems like it'll be the month it'll be up, since Run-DMC is before it) XxTimberlakexx (talk) 22:13, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

IDM

Wink - Chris 19:53, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
P.S.: I completed the ID3-Tags, that's why the file was modified today. The creation time is right though, I found the song through SOTD and completeted its lyrics right away Grin
Impressive! I know some of Deadmau5's stuff went in the direction of IDM as well. You should give some of Boards Of Canada a listen if you haven't already, they're my favorite IDM band by far. ^^
Also, did you read my AOTM nomination? XxTimberlakexx (talk) 14:18, June 12, 2013 (UTC)


Red → Blue Edit

Hi Chris! Wie kann man die Info über die Livevesion hier Walter Mossmann:Survivor's Song (Ne Pas Se Pencher Au Dehors!) blau bekommen? Die ist auf einem "Various Artists" Album (compilation).

--Ignor-the-ant (talk) 20:18, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ich verstehe nicht ganz... normalerweise hätte ich gesagt: da es sich um eine Seite handelt, muss die Seite erstellt werden. Spricht da was gegen? - Chris 20:30, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Schätze es geht um das Album, nicht den Song... Red wie passend! ;-) hat keine Option für VA-Alben in das Template eingebaut. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:42, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Achso, ja, dann bau das ein Grin - Chris 20:46, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Es sollte eigentlich sowohl das Album als auch der Song blau werden. Die Seite des Songs besteht bereits. --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 21:05, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Red hat automatisch " (Live)" an den Titel drangehängt... Habs jetzt geändert, so dass es nur angefügt wird, wenn der 1. Parameter nicht angegeben ist. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:19, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Danke allerseits! --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 21:49, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
Hier noch ein ähnlicher Fall: Georg Kreisler:Was Für Ein Ticker Ist Ein Politiker. Bei "AddAlb" funktioniert "albumartist" nicht. Ist da was zu machen? --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 02:31, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Siehe Template:AdditionalAlbums unter "Usage" ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 06:46, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, hab ich irgendwie übersehen. Danke nochmal. --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 14:53, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Protected Page Edit

I'm about to put a bunch of work into David Gray's pages and went to add a bunch of missing lyrics to songs, and came across this page:

David_Gray:A_New_Day_At_Midnight

What does this mean and/or what needs to be done to make it a proper page again? I'm not sure if the confusion is over the fact that he has a whole album called 'A New Day at Midnight', but then this is actually a proper song title which appears on the 'Foundling' album. ManChicken (talk) 02:06, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

The song was on Gracenote's takedown list, but the page didn't exist, so the pagename was protected to prevent creation. It looks like GN managed to license it in the meantime, but at some point GracenoteBot apparently broke and couldn't remove the protection. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:44, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Working link Edit

I left it unlinked because the actual categories replace "Template Name" with the first param... — 6×9 (Talk) 16:22, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, okay, sorry. I thought you didn't want the template page to appear in that category and had forgotten about the colon method. Personally I don't think that this replacing is that clever though. The following paragraph is the conclusion of all my theoretical thoughts about categories in LyricWiki, thoughts I had when I was designing the theoretical T-Line drafts:

A short essay about our categories Edit

There are three types of categories that LyricWiki has: 1) System categories, 2) organizing categories and 3) Maintenance categories.
1) is really easy, it's the categories like Category:Song that are necessary to make something (in this case the random links) work. They are usually sensibly grouping pages together, however they are not actually meant to be used by users to find contents.
2) are also grouping pages together, but they are meant to organize the large number of pages in a way that users can search target-oriented and find pages by attributes. The pages are intended to stay in the categories.
3) they are grouping pages that have a certain problem in common. Opposed to 2) these categories are watched all the time, usually only by admins or at least experienced users. The target is to keep them empty (that is a very important difference).
That said, it might be clear where I'm heading with this: while it is good to split the category tree of 2) into very fine branches*, we should aim for as few as possible 3). As I said the target is to keep them empty, so by default every page in maintenancr categories of the same type is equally important. A large number of 3) results in problems like the accented character categories; formerly it was sensible to differentiate by language, so people could pick the pages of languages they knew. Meanwhile, a bot (I think it's Senvaikis' Lwt) is silently updating the reported pages with anew copied lyrics that do not contain the errors any more. Right now, one has to watch 43 categories to monitor accent errors. If someone enters any other language, the error might not be seen at all. The same would apply for the IncludeGuard categories. We generate a dozen of categories that we have to monitor although they are ideally all empty and thus all would be equally important. If a page contains a duplicate template, the person fixing that should know which one it is.
I'd also be happier if we had one "invalid parameter" category per template-type (header, footer, flagging, info) opposed to one category per paremeter. The sortkey could be filled with the parameter name so that only a few parameters have to be checked if a page appears in "Invalid parameter in Footer".
* One addition about the fineness of the category branches: sometimes our template system overdoes it; typical examples for too fine sifting are the categories about award winners that are grouped by the years, because typically each year has only one winner.
-Chris 17:20, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
Funny; just after I hit the publish button I thought that this might not have been one of my better ideas. Changed it now to a single category (sorry, couldn't think of a better name).
Good point about reducing the number of maintenance cats; I suppose they've just grown organically. Easier (short-term) to add more cats to existing ones than to reorganize the whole litter.
Awards: I always thought that the by-year lists would be better off as just that (i.e. lists) than cats, but never got round to fixing it (and probably won't for the next few weeks). — 6×9 (Talk) 19:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Couple questions, old friend... Edit

Question #1: I'm adding info to some of Vast's tracks. One of their albums was available as both a retail version (April) & as a digital download (April Online Version). The versions are different. So, when I put the headers on each track, do I label the online version as a digital download, a download album, an online album, or what? For example:

Vast
StarIconBronze
This song is performed by Vast and appears on the album April (2006) and on the online album April Online Version (2006).

Question #2: It feels weird labelling a song a cover that was co-written by two artists, but recorded by the other 1st. Two Examples of this would be Carly Simon:You Belong To Me/The Doobie Brothers:You Belong To Me & The Go-Go's:Our Lips Our Sealed/Fun Boy Three:Our Lips Are Sealed. Isn't there something else we can do for cases like this?

(I'm sure my questions are answered somewhere, but it's difficult to search when my sight is not totally back yet.) BeatriceBlue (talk) 05:40, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to step on Chris's toes, but I happened to see this, and I do have opinions about the answers to both...
Answer #1: In a case like that, it shouldn't be separate album pages; there should just be one page for the album April, with both track lists (because the track lists are so different -- if it were the more common case of the online version having a couple of bonus tracks, then there needs to only be one track list plus the bonus tracks).
Then, for a song that's on both the CD and the digital release, you only need to list the album once.
For a song that's only on the digital release (for example), you can identify it like this:
{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}}
That makes the text read: "...appears on the digital release of the album April (2006)"
If we were talking about an album that were only released digitally, I would see no reason to identify it as anything other than just "album" on the song page -- no need to do "type=digital album" or "type=online album" or anything like that.
Answer #2: Doesn't matter -- they're still cover songs, and the definition of what constitutes a "cover song" is based on the performances of the song (and when they were released), with no real regard for the writers. I note in that first example you gave, the writers are not "The Go-Go's" and "Fun Boy Three," the writers are Jane Wiedlin and Terry Hall. The fact that one of the writers was a member of the Go-Go's and one of the writers was a member of the Fun Boy Three is incidental to the "cover song" concept.
That kind of thing seems to me to be an example of potentially interesting music trivia, rather than something that has to specifically be called out on the page by treating them differently than other cover songs. I think it's pretty much handled by listing the writers under the Credits heading below the lyrics, as well as the Wikipedia link if applicable. Trainman (talk) 06:28, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
#1: Copy that. I'd recommend to merge both tracklistings on one page with {{h4}} headers, and then either use
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|star=Bronze}} for a song on both versions,
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=retail version of the album|star=Bronze}} for a song only on the retail album, or
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}} for a song only on the digital release.
#2: I'm not sure I got that correctly. But if a songwriter writes a song for a different band and later covers this song with his own band, that's still a cover. Smile - Chris 16:38, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
I love you both! Thank you. - BeatriceBlue (talk) 19:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Trainman, did you hear that? She loves us both! She's two-timing both of us! Cry - Chris 23:54, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Formatting National AnthemsEdit

Hey Chris,

you (and anyone else) wanna comment on my suggestions here? Thanks!      Lichtweber       talk    service   11:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

-> worst case scenario ;)      Lichtweber       talk    service   12:04, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Question Regarding Hymns and Christmas Songs Edit

Hi. I posted this on another admin's talk page, and he suggested that I ask another admin...so here it goes....

Hello there. I've been trying to edit a bunch of Christmas songs and other hymns, and I noticed that there isn't a consistent system for handling these. Some people use Traditional and some people use Unknown and some people use Christmas Song, while others use Christmas Songs 2. However, I don't think that any of those labels should be used when we know the person who wrote the lyrics. I think the author of the lyrics should be the original artist, and all these other pages should redirect to those pages, but I wanted to check with an admin. If we don't know the author of the lyrics, then I think that Traditional should be used. What are your thoughts?
Many of the people who wrote Christmas hymns also wrote hymns that are sung all year round -- the two biggest are Isacc Watts and Charles Wesley. I have several hymnals, so I can look to see the credit information of each of these songs to assure that we get the correct lyric writer for a given song.
If Original Lyric Author Is Known:
So, my thought is this:
Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name
Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
Traditional:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
If Original Lyric Author Is Not Known:
Traditional:Song Name
Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name)
Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
That makes sense to me, but if you think that it should be different, let me know what you think would be better.
Also, would it be possible to create a page where hymns on the site could be listed so people could find them, but they would be listed under their original author. I don't know if this would work as a list I would need to have in my space, or a parameter would do this, that would be displayed by the site, etc. Or how would I go about doing this? Would I just create a list?
The same for Christmas songs.
Some songs are both hymns and Christmas songs.
What are your thoughts? Thanks. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:54, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I want to add something else. The reason I suggest identifying hymns (including Christmas hymns) by the lyric author is because some people use different tunes for the same song, and there is often more than one hymn that uses the same tune. So identifying songs by the lyric writer would eliminate confusion. Also, this is a lyric site, so searching by the author of the lyrics makes sense. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:56, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about whether you are talking of "author" because you want to differentiate between "author" and "artist" as "writer" and "performer", or if you meant "artist" all along.
I'll use "artist" because LW is artist based, not lyricists based. If you meant to distinguish between artist and author, we need to talk again.
Of course, if the original artist is known, the song should be placed where it belongs, i. e. Artist:Song, like Wham!:Last Christmas. However I don't think it's a good idea to put everything else at "Traditional". "Traditional" reads like "This song is hundreds of years old and is well known to everyone, but nobody knows who composed it." which implies there's no chance to identify an artist. Imagine someone who didn't know who performed "Last Christmas" would add the lyrics - it'd be "Traditional:Last Christmas". What I like about the "Unknown:" prefix is that it makes clear that you can possibly identify the artist and move the page. "Unknown:" has a sort of "needs some work" feeling, whereas "Traditional:" reads like "don't even try" to me, you know?
Futhermore I'm not so sure about the benefit of "Hymn:" redirects. Personally I've never heard the term "Christmas Hymn", and as we have no page that uses "Hymn:" so far it appears to me that "hymn" might be how some people see some songs and how they call them informally. It seems to be subjective which songs are hymns and which aren't. The only term I have ever heard of is "Christmas Carol". But anyway we should not use the prefix to group songs of different artists together - that's what categories are for.
The real problem about the "Unknown" page is that there's nobody who tidies it up. The system itself is quite fine, it just lacks a person who is eager to tidy up, a person who "adopts" the page and spends a ridiculous amount of time to identify the artists of the songs listed there. - Chris 19:45, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for responding to this. I actually posted this message on another admin Talk Page, too. I wasn't sure which one of you would answer first User talk:6 times_9#Question_Regarding_Hymns_and_Christmas_Songs. I don't know if you want to have the main discussion there or here. Feel free to move it to that Talk Page, if you think that would be more appropriate. I will answer your questions, though :)
First, let me explain what hymns are. Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals -- most of them are older, although there are modern ones, too. Amazing Grace, Crown Him With Many Crowns, Nothing But The Blood, Joy To The World, Silent Night, It Came Upon A Midnight Clear, Hark! The Herald Angels Sing, The First Noel, etc are all hymns. I can look up these songs in the hymnals that I own and find them. And, yes, many Christmas Carols are hymns, but not all of them. There are secular Christmas carols too (songs that have to do with Santa Claus). Songs talking about Santa Claus are not hymns.  :)
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If the song is a Christmas song about Jesus or is based on the Bible, it's a Christmas hymn and carol.
If the song is not about Jesus, but is instead about Santa, winter, snow, decorating, etc., it isn't a hymn, but would be a carol. Songs like Jingle Bells, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, White Christmas, Deck The Halls, We Wish You a Merry Christmas, Here We Come a Wassailing, O Christmas Tree, etc., then it is just a carol.
Is that clear?
If no one else would be interested in seeing list of hymns, I would -- as I would like to keep track of covers of hymns and such, so I could create a list of them just for me, but I would need help with setting it up, as I've never created a list on here before.
Okay, I think you and I are agreed upon what Traditional means :) And that is exactly my point. If we know who wrote the songs, which we do for many of these hymns -- for example, I can look in my hymnal and see that Isaac Watts wrote the lyrics to Joy To The World. Therefore, I think the song should be listed at Isaac Watts:Joy To The World rather than Traditional:Joy To The World. However, other people disagree with me, which is why I wanted to bring this up.
Yes, I see what you are saying about Unknown vs. Traditional. This is why we really need to discuss it. Some people think that if a song is in the public domain, it should be named Traditional:Song. But if we know the author, then that makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your response:) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 20:49, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
I guess, I am this "someone", so I have to say it again: Please read carefully!
I wrote: "all others (imo): various artists EXEPT you have a specific recording you want to list AND you can handle the outcome (i.e.: artist pages and such)."
I just don't want random songs appearing on one of the artist pages, I feel responsible for ( like Friedrich Schiller). Handle the outcome! | @Chris: FYI      Lichtweber       talk    service   22:15, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Lichtweber,
I wasn't meaning to attack you, as you aren't the only one with that view. I just meant there were differing opinions, which isn't a bad thing. And maybe I misunderstood what you were suggesting earlier, and maybe I haven't been clear either. I'm not talking about specific artist recordings, but rather the page that we are calling the original...the page that all other recordings are said to cover.
I'll use the example of Joy To The World again. A lot of artists have recorded it. Okay, so then what do we call the original one? Do we call it Isaac Watts:Joy To The World or do we call it Traditional:Joy To The World. That's the issue that I'm trying to work out. I think that it should be Isaac Watts:Joy To The World since he wrote the lyrics for it. But other people think it should be Traditional:Joy To The World because the song is in the public domain and a lot of people have covered it, etc.
And I'm trying to establish some system so that my mistake that I made earlier on Friedrich Schiller doesn't happen again. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:38, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Here is a summary of the discussion so far -- just to make sure that we are all understanding each other:
(If I have misunderstood or misrepresented anyone's opinion here, please correct me)
1.) I'm mostly asking about songs that are in the public domain -- Christmas songs and hymns, not specific recordings of these songs.
2.) The main question is this: How do we name these pages? There are several different opinions on this, and there is inconsistency on LW. I think that all four of us in this discussion so far agree that we need to come up with a consistent system.
3.) Lichtweber and 6 Times 9 think that we should name all these pages Traditional:Name Of Song, regardless of whether or not we know who wrote the song.
4.) LWChris and I think that if we know the writer of the song, they should be called Author:Name Of Song. LWChris thinks we should avoid naming a song Traditional, as that implies that we don't know the author, and we have no hope of ever knowing who wrote it, so he would prefer naming songs Unknown:Name Of Song, if we don't know who the author is.
5.) Lichtweber wants to make sure that created on a given page would really belong to the author, and that we don't have random pages created that don't really belong on the artist page.
Questions:
1. If we used the Traditional:Name Of Song, what guidelines should be followed for determining whether or not something is Traditional? In other words, when would we use Traditional, and when would we use the Name Of Author? How would we define "Traditional?" (There are additional questions which would follow, but let's answer these first)
2. If we used the Name Of Author, then what happens if historical sources do not know who wrote it? Should we then then use the name Traditional, or should we use the name Unknown? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 12:22, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
At first: thank you for explaining what a hymn is (N.B.: you needn't explain it so extensively, I actually got it from "Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals").
They, I want to add a correction to #4: I said it should be "Artist:Song". It should not be "Author:Song", if "author" means "writer of the lyrics". The LyricWiki page names are X:Y, whereas X refers to an artist, i. e. a person or group who performed the song. If I write lyrics for an existing instrumental song, and I put the lyrics in a hymnal and 100 people in church sing it, it does not make me an artist. If I write a poem and someone else adds a melody so it can be sung, it does not make me an artist. That's the difference. A lyricist is not that kind of artist we are talking about when we say "Artist:Song", I think.
I think, these songs should be treated as "Hymn". I think you can compare them to national anthems and it is maybe a good idea to actually have them at "Hymn:Name" so that actual performances of that song (famous Gospel Choir recording, etc.) can reference the same page. "Hymn:" pages should be listed at "LyricWiki Lists/Hymns", which has a redirect at "Hymn". You'd be "responsible" for tidying up the page if Janitor adds "Other Songs".
Performed songs with unknown artist should remain at "Unknown:", songs that are usually not "performed" (e. g. African traditional songs) should be "Traditional" as the description implies. - Chris 22:29, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, okay -- thanks for correcting me on your position.
No problem -- I'd love to work on a hymn list and maintain it :)
New questions -- what should I do with the existing Christmas song pages...should they be redirected to the hymn page, such as the ones that are at Traditional:Name Of Song? And what about the Christmas songs that are not hymns? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:15, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
I just want to point out that the above was my position, not a final decision. I need to read what 6x9 wrote, first, but I've got no time right now (it's 1:28 here and I have to go to work tomorrow). Will answer tomorrow. - Chris 23:27, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Right. No problem. Take as much time as you need. I assume that the final decision will be a joint decision that the admin make, and I understand that you guys are busy. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:57, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Artist of the Month nomsEdit

So, looks like we're out of noms again, eh? I told you this would happen Tongue With school starting and all, I can't write a nomination right now (nor do I want to right after mine was already AOTM in August) so could you possibly ask some other users to make some more noms that'll last us a few more months? Thanks in advance, man! XxTimberlakexx (talk) 10:39, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'll remove the section. - Chris 19:13, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Wait wait wait, what do you mean "remove the section"? Are you removing it entirely, or are you just removing it from the main page until we get another nomination? You were really vague there. Personally, I really hope it's not the former, because this site won't be as jazzy with only Song of the Day. It needs something more.
I don't know why you couldn't just ask some users for nominations like I suggested, though. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 20:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
As you can see I removed the section from the mainpage. I asked some people to nominate their favourite artist, they didn't react. I tried to make up a nomination, but it's too hard to write the things I want to say in English. I'm also working from 8 a.m. til 8 p.m..
I've no stats for you, but I think the main page is hardly visited anyways. I bet most come to any page by either a mobile app that displays lyrics to the current song, or by googling for certain lyrics. If some people come across the main pages, it's likely not a page they are going to read anyway.
And I think the AOTW and AOTM projects showed that user generated content is deemed to be not-working-out by now. People use their smartphones to surf in the Internet, and I can fully understand that they don't want to type texts on a smartphone. People tweet 150 characters, people comment on videos like "lol" or "i watn 13 secons of my live bcak", people hit stupid "Like"/"+1"/"Thumbs up"/"Share"/"Post" buttons a hundred times a day. But next to nobody wants to write valuable texts that even contains wiki syntax which is a horror for smartphone users. I can tell from the SOTD that even 50 chars seems to be way too much for most of our users. - Chris 20:25, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Well, that just sucks. So, are we going to cancel the short-lived Artist of the Month project too, now? If so, you should state that on its page. You make a very good point, though. I think we'll be good with Song of the Day for a while, since it seems to be the only thing that's going strong on the main page, even if the majority of the noms are by IPs and you never know what to expect. The thing that's good with Song of the Day is that it doesn't have to be nearly as long as AOTW and AOTM noms had to be - so that's why I think it'll stay active for a long, long time.
Nonetheless, thanks for trying a new project, at least - I thought it was a cool idea, but unfortunately, as you said, not a lot of people these days are eager to write a good, solid paragraph for a nomination. We tried, and we learned from the result that we probably shouldn't try this again. Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, well, I just put a notice on the Artist of the Month page since you didn't do it, saying that it has been put to an end. While I was at it, I moved all the recent AOTMs to the archive and also moved your nomination of D from months ago as AOTW to the archive as well. Should we remove the rest of what's on those pages, too? (e.g. the box that explains what AOTM is about) XxTimberlakexx (talk) 23:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
The reason I didn't do it is simply because it is not put to an end. I think we have tp stop with this "always or never" routine. We should display the section if we have an AOTM, and hide it if not. It's as simple as that. I've just not gotten to design the alternative section to display, like "What's your favourite artist? Care to introduce us? Want to accolade the artist page you worked on?" - something like that. Please don't get ahead of yourself by dismantling everything just because it's hidden from public view atm. - Chris 23:22, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
You see, you never told me this. That whole thing you gave me about how people aren't willing to write paragraphs for nominations and how you worded your response made me think that you were getting rid of it for good.
But thanks for letting me know. Make sure to get to that alternative section when you get a chance :P I apologize for getting ahead of myself, by the way. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:49, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
I'm working 13 hours a day. I'm moving. I'm studying. All at the same time. I'm kind of busy at the moment, so I had no time to explain plans that I hadn't even thought over. For instance the idea of making the section optional was born some hours after you wrote. You said "are we going to cancel AOTM? If so, you should state it on the page." and two hours later you tore the page down. I'm not that fast with making up concepts, you know? Wink
I just hid the section to make the main page look better, a quick thing that's easy to undo if needed.
If you've got time to maintain the main page: the queue for SOTD is empty for days and I can't spend 3 hours to refill it now. Honestly, most of the nominations are lousy and need a lot of work before I can accept them (add video, add goear, correct typos, remove slang, remove cursing, sort out spam, check if already nominated)... - Chris 23:29, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Two different songs with the same title by the same artist Edit

What do I do when an artist has written two completely different songs with the same name? I found that MercyMe has two different songs named Beautiful. One song is on a CD that I have, and one is on an older CD. Thanks. I know I'm going to have to create a different page for one of them, but what do I call it? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 22:55, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Two options: if one of both songs is a lot better known than the other, put the better known on the page MercyMe:Beautiful and add {{WrongPage}} for MercyMe:Beautiful (Disambiguation) with {{Disambig}}. The other song goes to "MercyMe:Beautiful (Album Name)" and uses {{WrongPage}}, too. If both are equally known, I'd put the {{Disambig}} on MercyMe:Beautiful and add the album name to both songs. You could also put the year in parenthesis, but I think more people will search for it with the album name, not the release year. - Chris 23:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I would say the better known one is the version I have, as that is the Gracenotes version of it. However, to be safe, I'll include the album name so that it is clear which one it is. :) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:31, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
I moved the {{Disambig}} to MercyMe:Beautiful; if the page with the correct name doesn't contain either of the songs, it may as well be the disambig page instead of an additional redirect, I think. At least the way {{Disambig}} works makes me think this was intended, because the default is "PAGENAME may refer to:" and the pagename is only correct for the "X:Y" page itself, not on a "X:Y (Disambiguation)" page. - Chris 23:34, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. That was my first attempt at creating a disambigution page. I'm still learning :) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:20, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Genres4SongsEdit

Hey Chris, a question came up. Your expertise might be needed. :)      Lichtweber       talk    service   12:10, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Our ProposalEdit

Hi Chris, I wanted to invite you to discuss a modification of LW:PN with us. I hope ou can make time for that one :) Cheers,      Lichtweber       talk    service   21:01, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Some questions came up. We really need your input now. Cheers,      Lichtweber       talk    service   17:35, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hi if you need help on writing new lyrics contact me--Kyleroering (talk) 07:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I answered your 'talk' of yesterday about my 'botlike editing'. I'm looking forward to your answer on that! :-) --Markcoutinho (talk) 10:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)Mark Coutinho, 01-01-2014

Bando Da Lua Edit

Hi Chris! Diese Seite wurde von dir gelöscht – ich nehme an aus urheberrechtlichen Gründen. Was auf der Seite genau stand, kann ich nicht mehr herausbekommen. Ich habe stattdessen jetzt diese erstellt, da die Gruppe das Stück, mit einem eigenen Text, unter diesem Titel herausbrachte. Ich hoffe damit gibt es keine Probleme. --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 15:42, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hallo, die Löschung fand damals im Rahmen des "GPP" statt, dem Gracenote Placeholder Project. Im Wesentlichen war die Seite schon vor der Löschung gesperrt, allerdings durch einen vor Bearbeitung geschützten Platzhaltertext. Im Rahmen vom GPP wurden diese reinen Platzhalter-Seiten entfernt und anschließend vor Neuerstellung geschützt. Mehr Informationen zu diesem Vorgang findest du auf User:LWChris/GPP. Viele Grüße und melde dich, wenn noch etwas unklar ist. - Chris 17:45, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

OctothorpesEdit

I have a song that begins with an unusual character... the octothorpe. Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson doesn't work. This (Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson) just links to the Artist page that needs to be created, not the actual song. How does this get fixed???

Thanks

SPIRAL (talk) 04:09, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Completed Done, - see lw:docs for documentation and song page for implementation.
hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:32, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Senv. Technical explanation is that the hash (#) is a reserved character to tell the browser to scroll to a certain anchor on the page. For example, the Link #Deadmau5 scrolls the current page to the headline "Deadmau5", since in MediaWiki each headline gets an anchor named like the headline itself.
Your link "Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson" opens the page "Beckah Shae:" and scrolls to the anchor named "putyourloveglasseson". - Chris 12:56, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

MAINPAGE REDESIGNEdit

I have already discussed this with User:Senvaikis but he/she asked me to ask you for permission as well and he hasn't decided yet. Basically, I would like to ask if I could redesign this wiki's mainpage. I have designed http://britneyspears.wikia.com/wiki/Britney_Spears_Wiki, http://elliegoulding.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ellie_Goulding_Wiki http://katyperry.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page and more!

So, please, can you unprotect the mainpage for a short time? You can always roll back the spam and etc. Thank you! :)

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azending (talkcontribs), 04:25, April 3, 2014‎ (UTC).

Hi Azending,
I'm okay with a redesign, but can you deal with the translation system we're using? Smile I'll unprotect the page as soon as you responded to not leave it open for days before you even know your request has been approved.
Thanks, Chris 14:10, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting my requestEdit

Don't unprotect the page right now, I still need to make the stuff. :) What do you mean by translation??

Look at our current main page. Currently, our main page is available in
  • English
  • German
  • Spanish
  • Finnish
  • French
  • Greek
  • Italian
  • Japanese
  • Dutch
  • Norsk
  • Polish
  • Portuguese
  • Russian
  • Swedish
  • Tagalog
  • Turkish and
  • Chinese

We are able to translate every part of our main page into different languages, if we want to, thanks to our templating system. Do you think you could keep a similar system? - Chris 20:59, April 7, 2014 (UTC) P. S.: please sign your posts with ~~~~, thanks.

EDIT: nvm, talked to XxTimberlakexx and he helped me, thanks!

Tomi47 (talk) 00:19, June 22, 2014 (UTC)Tomi47

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