Contents 1 Hi 2 Amen: Other Songs 3 A Favor 4 fLetter on artist name 5 Got a weird one 4 U... 6 Split Catalogs 7 Carpenters vs The Carpenters 8 Rock the Vote 9 Now that's what I call funny ;) 10 Unimportant 11 Unranked albums 12 Anonymous 13 Sigur Ros and Hopelandic 14 Category:Bravo Hits 15 Grey's Anatomy 16 Silly Wizard 17 Have I missed a moment you becaming a Bureaucrat ? 18 S2E2 19 Toyah 20 fLetter - Romanized or Japanese? 21 Les Cowboys Fringants 22 Oblivion 23 Bob the Great 24 About abs new single 25 Bouncing Souls 26 Language 27 I noticed... 28 The Tea Party 29 'return to top of page' 30 Warning 31 Vacation 32 Corner Gas 33 Question 34 Al Jarreau 35 Requesting your input 36 The Black Eyed Peas 37 Prog/MetalArchives in ArtistFooter? 38 Snazzy boxes 39 Do you read Russian? 40 But , where is the Lyric ? 41 wait wait wait ;) 42 Doooneeee  :) 43 kk , i do it ;) 44 Can u Check it ? 45 ay , its me again ;) 46 British Overseas Territories 47 Hey 48 hey its me again. sorry. but , 49 There is nobody to help here is my post from page problems discussion, 50 What shall I do with ... 51 Automatic Redirection 52 Apologies 53 Category:Invalid ArtistFooter Parameter 54 allmusic woes 55 Momen no Handkerchief translation 56 Artist page name question 57 Starbucks?

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Hi

Done :) ...hope so ;) Cheers

Every things away except of one album ?! Whats happened ?

Idont know if I really understand your comment on my talk page. I followed the link and changed the letters. Was it the only thing to do ? AtzeX

Amen: Other Songs

Just so I know, what did I do wrong when I cleaned up the other songs listing in Amen after I had sorted out them out into the albums them had been released on? I don't want to make the same mistake again Clichedgeek 14:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

A Favor

I had an idea (feel free to say this is silly) to kind of jumpstart the 'watching' thing a little more. What do you think of using S2E2 to create new discussion pages, with all of the information added? I could give you my full, raw, watchlist...</br> King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 23:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Bot needs practice at creating pages, as he's never done it before. Show me an example for each page type. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 23:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

If I'm understanding correctly, there's kind of an example here  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

A penny for the smart lady. That would be the thing (only with me credited in the watcher section.)

King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 09:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

fLetter on artist name

I just wanted to ask you about this. The help page is still instructing users to insert symbol for fLetter in the case of artist's names not in latin alphabet. I recall we had a conversation about different alphabets but I didn't know this had changed. Have I missed something?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 14:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

That's what I was talking about with regards to fLetter and non roman languages in Admin portal, and at 6's talk page last night. Arabic, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, Korean... dump them all into symbol? Change the docs?

see also: [1] leading to this Category:Artists Cyrillic (+ subcategories removed). also Category:Artists Hebrew, Category:Artists Greek. This Cat: Category:Artists Symbol should only contain what is truly symbol artists like *NSYNC or ...Aaaarrghh.... Teknomunk also pointed out the limitations of how things were set up to decide what is symbol by lw (which considers anything out of the English ASCII range as symbol) and the fact that it should be changed. The docs are much easier to change than the piece of code that decides what fLetter is, don't you think? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 15:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok so why not Category:Artists Japanese?  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Right! why not?! lol. Of all possible solutions throwing everything into symbol is the worst possible solution. Categorizing by language/writing system is the best solution, using the fLetter of the romanized name the middle ground. I can change all the CJK artists fLetters to go into Japanese, Chinese and Korean Categories. Also because, as I think Keifer pointed out, we won't end up with thousands of categories based on the fLetter of Ideographic languages. Chinese take out away or the meal archives? ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 15:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that throwing everything outside of the Latin alphabet into symbol was never ideal but I can understand perhaps how it came about. Not all of our users will be able to recognize the different language/writing systems, symbols, etc. As such this is likely to end up like the language problem with this parameter being left blank and therefore uncategorized. This isn't happening at present of course, because of the use of Category:Artists Symbol, Category:Albums Symbol, Category:Songs Symbol. Whatever the solution, if we want users to continue completing the fLetter parameters, I think there does need to be uniformity. Not some by language/writing system, some by using the fLetter of the romanized name, etc.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 16:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

if we want users to continue completing the fLetter parameters

and that is what we shouldn't ask them to do. Peek at the revision history of Зоопарк, + it's past and present category, and note the TOC template that does the magic. We need a fLetter param on any page only when it is to override the true fLetter of the page. LW knows what the fLetter is from the pagename. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 18:01, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Got a weird one 4 U...

I tried not to bother you with it, so it's kinda half done (meaning songs have actually been moved) but could you bot amend the name of Covek Bez Sluha to Čovek Bez Sluha on Čovek Bez Sluha artist page and in SongFooter/Song please. Many thanks!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

as soon as the bot server stops acting up, I have 6 instances of the bot frozen for the past 10 minutes. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 04:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a bit erratic this side of pond too...even with no bot..slow and error messages.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

done ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 04:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Split Catalogs

I saw your splitting of catalogs, such as John Denver, Dolly Parton, and America, and while splitting up these pages might be a good idea, having a tiny link at the very end of the pages just isn't sufficient. There needs to be some sort of logical splitting/era division being done, and a MUCH more top-page obviousness to it. (Basically, no one should have to go to the bottom of the page to search for a link that they likely don't even know exists.) The America page could probably just have all of those recent "Best of" collections linked to by title or something, even. I reverted John Denver, as that is a page that I have done extensive work on in the past, but haven't done anything with the others.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The splitting was not meant to be final, it was so that interested parties can work on them. If reverting is preferable, then by all means. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 06:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

You just confused me even more, because it sounds as though you essentially hid some track lists so that people in the future could do a better job with the division. But how are they going to know that a better job needs to be done if alot of the info isn't readily available and visible? Are these pages being listed somewhere? Perhaps it's just because that I'm tired that I'm not seeing the method to the madness. Hopefully everything will be illuminated tomorrow. G'nite....    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   06:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Does this help? Using Subpages listed in Artists came from this discussion (that I started, like I started Category:Pages Needing Split Catalog two weeks ago). I see a half full glass, missing the empty other half which I expect will be filled by future editors. The pages were split based on the "some browsers can't deal with pages over 32KB". I trust none of my edits are final, and I merely opened those pages up to more edits, because I think as an admin, my job is making lw more accessible. Some of those large pages are pages that I put a lot of work in and they have sat untouched for months, probably because they are too large to edit. Good morning. Hope that clarifies the perceived madness ;) good morning ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 11:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

There are only two artists in Category:Artist Subpages (neither of which you will note are Dolly Parton or America) but there are a great many more scattered throughout Special:WantedCategories. I'm sure we don't really want separate categories for each individual artist with a sub page, do we? (If anything it should be Category:Subpages.) Besides there is already a category detailing all artists with sub pages which the artist goes into when the template {{SplitCatalog}} is applied to the page. It's here. Maybe that should simply appear at the top of each sub page to "avoid them appearing in the Special:Uncategorizedpages listing." Hope that helps.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

You did read this? You noticed I only agreed with King & Will? Why not ask them? hth. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 13:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

@Keifer & Red: you might both want to check this edit as well, [2], not that it's on my watch list or anything! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 15:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned, I'm not opposed to the splits, just in the way that it was accomplished. You saw a problem with long pages, and decided to do something about it, which is commendable, but while the pages were moved off of the long pages list, the new split-off page was essentially hidden and the splitting point appeared to be as much random as methodical. To me, those are major drawbacks.

Also, a User talk page isn't really a good place to get a consensus on how to go about doing such a task, so it's no wonder that only 3 people were involved in the discussion. All of us, myself included, have gotten a bit sloppy with where we discuss things, I fear. Both Redxx and I have dealt with artists with exceptionally long discographies and could have pointed the topic to examples that have been created in the past, such as with the Jimmy Buffett page (or The Rolling Stones or The Beach Boys, etc.) No sense starting from scratch when a method has already been discussed and implemented. (I'm not saying that things can't be further discussed or improved upon, but it's easier to start from an existing position.)

But originally I just saw what was being done and just wanted to make sure that there wasn't a grand, possibly botified plan going on that I wasn't aware of, and if there wasn't, that further splits weren't done in the same manner. And I was truly very, very, VERY tired that night. blurry-eyed and a bit twitchy, if truth be told. hasn't been a very cheerful week.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

There are over 70 large pages that I flagged for splitting, I did not want to spend the necessary 4-6 weeks to properly split them (the only rule that can be applied to all of them is the size rule, not era or anything else) As large pages they are in the bot's way when null editing the pages, anything over ~35KB is untouchable by bot. Our categories are out of wack, artist and song pages missing Headers & footers are out there somewhere and I'm looking for those and over 20,000 artist pages have no hometown. Ella Fitzgerald, Buddy Guy and Sesame Street will just have to wait! Meanwhile their lyrics are available via web or api, and whoever wants to rank them gold can do so. No matter how I would have chopped them it would have been incomplete anyway, I don't think I'll have time to do those pages justice in 2009. I was just rash enough to do something to make them more digestable to bots and humans, and I'll probably do something equally rash in the near future  :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 07:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC) No complaints, lw is full of challanges, and that's why I'm here to stay

Carpenters vs The Carpenters

Hi Echo, I saw your comment on the recent changes page so I went digging through Wikipedia myself and found this quote, "In the album notes for their 2004 release, Gold: 35th Anniversary Edition, Richard stated: After much thought, we decided to name the act "Carpenters" (No "The"; we thought it sounded hipper without it, like Buffalo Springfield or Jefferson Airplane.)"

So, although this rubs against the grain for me, because I feel it needs the definite article, 'The', to be grammatically correct. I also checked Amazon.com for the album covers and not a single one uses "The". The artist page and all titles should actually go without "The"    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

great, now I can quote you on that!, I will be moving the songs to "Carpenters" then. Thanks for verifying this for me. cheers, ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 16:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC) obviously before us somebody had decided the "The" was correct...

Rock the Vote

Could I solicit you opinion on this? --Åqüã†ìкí ƒ_Δ^Σ ¶ 00:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that's what I call funny ;)

Rflmao  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

All them users who show up in the artist namespace!! hopefully Sean finds it equally funny ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 02:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure he won't stop laughing for a week. Rfl. Like me.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 02:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The sad thing is, he only got a green star!! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 03:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't, I'm nearly wetting myself here as it is...RFLMAO  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 03:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

You want me to slap a AH on your page just for laffs? btw: Did you know your NO BOT flags on your pages are totally useless against S2E2? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 03:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd be a bit concerned as to what my disambig title might be, particularly on Wikipedia. I don't think it would have my kind of "artist" [3] on there (lol)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC) No I didn't know. I copied it from someone who I expected knew about such things so I just assumed it worked. You could even say I was trying to save you a revert ;)

Unimportant

What is better, to have "Angel" lyrics #100, or instrumental page? At least it's something new... Glock18 13:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm? I dont got it, it's about my english, or what? What's your point? Why you showed me my contributons page? Glock18 14:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I was hinting at the fact that writing something here at lw and then removing it (like you removed your earlier post to my talk page) won't make it disappear, your edits, my edits, unnecessary lyrics etc, are all recorded and history is kept. Happy editing ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 14:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Unranked albums

Category:Compilation I don't know if you've got to ranking albums yet but a lot of compilation type albums haven't got any rank. Just wanted to let you know that.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

As an example...Can you show me how a star can be displayed on this album?

and why do the docs say that for albums the param label is "Star", when for songs and artists it's "star".

Obviously I haven't been paying much attention to albums.... tia ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 00:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It can't. Someone forgot to incorporate the star/Star (talk about uniformity - lol) parameter in the {{VariousArtistAlbum}} template. But as you can see from this post 6x9 wasn't up for increasing job queue to fix it because as he rightly says team a's revised album template will resolve this problem. I was telling you because I know that like me you often wonder about all the lost pages, etc. that are floating around in the far reaches of the LyricWiki galaxy...Ok these aren't lost but.. ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

methinks 6 should take team a's album template and slap it on the queue. Given that it would only affect albums (not songs...or artists) the job queue will be back to zero in less than 24 hrs. Meanwhile, more songs have collected up in the unranked songs category...:)) I have to devise yet another diabolical scheme to bring more of them out into the open LOL. and please make sure it's star, not "Star" ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 00:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The template on the help page for compilations albums, which correct me if I'm wrong is the documentation you're referring to, says "Star" because when the help page was written it was assumed that because all the other parameters are capitalized that would be too. Obviously it wasn't actually checked at the time or the fact that it hasn't actually got a star parameter, capitalised or uncapitalised, would have been discovered a lot sooner. It says "star" on all the other help pages though I believe because that is what it is on others (I'll check though). I don't make the templates. I just help in updating help pages ;). The various parameters being capitalized on some and not on others does, as is proved in this case, cause a bit of confusion. It is also a minor annoyance. But it doesn't really affect the majority of us. But I can understand that it probably causes you problems when coding regex etc. for SE2.

Obviously all parameters on the new album template will simply be options of and called (??) by just the one template, so the VA album oversight in not actually having a "star" parameter and indeed any capitalization issues is not likely to happen again. It would still be a good idea though for you to mention this to 6x9 (and maybe in admin portal to ensure everyone understands the problems these variations cause you), since it seems very likely that our new template wizard (I told you the guy had hidden talents ;))will end up completing team a's album template if the guy doesn't reappear very soon. We can't be expected to wait forever for his return, nor indeed let all his good work go to waste.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous

That was KingNee's suggested location. Seems like those two pages could be amalgamated. Well done for finding that info. I changed it to the guy who wrote the music though because of course a song isn't a song until it's got music ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:28, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sigur Ros and Hopelandic

An edit of yours reminded me a of an old thing: Hopelandic. It's a 'gibberish' language, kind of like do-wop, or what-have-you. I think, though, it is important that we differentiate between an instrumental and 'hopelandic.' I'd say that we should just leave it as {{Banner|This song is hopelandic, it contains no lyrics}}. What do you think?
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 01:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

different genres of scat... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 02:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bravo Hits

Can you do me a favour when you get a minute please? Touch the above (softly mind ;)). Thanks.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Grey's Anatomy

Since you asked...seems he was having a bad hair day.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:27, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Silly Wizard

That was an evil page!  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 15:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Have I missed a moment you becaming a Bureaucrat ?

? ;)--Senvaikis ^(talk) 18:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

S2E2

May I ask why S2E2 is replacing \s[a-z] with the capital letter in the song footer template? As it is mostly a cosmetic thing (most searches are cane insensitive) some people are reverting S2E2's edits. S2E2 also does an edit on every song page he looks at (as far as I can tell) adding 2 spaces which seems a bit pointless. ♫ LYRIC-Humbug ^words♪_deeds ☘ 03:53, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: That's about 10 useless edits per minute..

see [4], and you see a lot less edits in the log than actually happens, if it matters. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 04:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Toyah

Put her down Echo..  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 23:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

ummm...

1. Double Redirects
2. Broken Redirects

∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 23:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes...I see what you mean. Hardly likely.. ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 00:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Dunno though. I'm doing dead end pages and there was only 18 in there (which admittedly also seems a bit low). Maybe someone has just done all these? It is possible..  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 00:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

LOL, WMD ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 00:59, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

no, not Tony Blair's WMD, this one:[5], note Clogged up, then note 300 pages Sean deleted, at which point there were over ~450 broken/double redirects....so what's all this to do with Toyah? Lil' Jon &amp The East Side Boyz ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 06:09, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I don't know how (seeing as you usually have to ask Sean), but at least the double redirects are now fixed.

As for Toyah? Well it seems to me that you are rather attracted to her. I thought she had caused you so many problems in the past that you'd never want to have anything to do with her again..but no, there you are again, sitting together with her on my watchlist. Just watch yourself is all I'm saying. She's a bit of a wild one ;)  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

which edit are you talking about anyway?! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 13:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

look again?

1. Double Redirects
2. Broken Redirects

∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 11:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for delay. There was a few where you was moving to Toyah (band) etc. And yes both pages now fixed.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

fLetter - Romanized or Japanese?

I noticed for Japanese songs that S2E2 is using "Japanese" for the fLetter parameter. Just wondered, what is the current "rule" for CJK fLetters (mainly J and a little of K)? Noting the 2,936 total pages under Category:Songs_Japanese, I'm starting to think that I'm to add the rest in there... If so, only song titles beginning with any of the 45 or so kana, yes? (I have been away for too long.) --BryghtShadow (talk,works,うタ歌) 09:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit: On rare occasions, such pages (Die_Ärzte:♀_(Feminin)) may find their way onto the incorrect page. So, would it help in the sorting to first check the language parameter, then check the title? Of course, the other way may hold true, in that Japanese songs were sung in English, hence the language being non-Japanese, but the title is Japanese... hmm... --BryghtShadow (talk,works,うタ歌) 09:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

First I hope you find it more useful to have Songs with CJK fLetter in CJK categories instead of suymbol;) S2E2 has been applying fLetter for CJK like so:Korean if first letter is Korean, J: Japanese, C: Chinese. This has to be done by bot currently as we don't have the means to detect CJK fletters automatically so bot looks in Songs symbol for appropriate target songs. If you have entire artists that need their song fLetters changed, please let me know instead of doing them by hand. Please also note that the same fLetter logic applies to albums and artists with CJK fLetters. hth & happy editing ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 09:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit

It all depends on the fLetter of the song title, regardless of the actual language or writing system of the lyrics. makes sense? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 09:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

and please disregard the fLetter of the romanized song title, what we look for is the fLetter of the official title of the song, not the romanized title. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 09:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

You may also find this link helpful too >>>> Songs - fLetter Parameter. It has recently been updated.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 09:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't update the bit about Symbol. *eek* It was decided that Chinese & Japanese were to be placed in "fLetter=Chinese" & "fLetter=Japanese" wasn't it? I just didn't update that part. My bad!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I've now updated it completely.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, makes sense now. I'll go fix those romanized ones so they reside in the correct cat'. --BryghtShadow (talk,works,うタ歌) 09:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Les Cowboys Fringants

User_talk:Pathoschild#Template_and_API  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 07:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

sorry you missed the point ∃cho⚡ierr∀ (☏) 09:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oblivion

Hi, Sierra. Have a question and feel little confused, 'cause presumably it should be shamefull for admin asking such simple questions. But since you know I never pretended to be real admin, I decided to ask you - without a risk to be derided ;)

You know I was handling Leonard Cohen for a fairly long time and was 'sure' it has no unsplitted songs in it's OS; Orphaned pages also didn't contain any LC song... What was my surprise when I accidentaly found a lot of LC songs, not included neither in artist, nor in any album page! When I tried to puzzle out such situation, I found that (maybe) all of them are redirects (usually from Cohen Leonard). That may be the reason why such songs, having no links to any artist or album page, are not included into Orphaned pages list. So the question is: do you know some direct (& effective) way to found all such pages fallen into oblivion?

Tia, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 15:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Senv. Nothing shameful about it, this isuue confused me for a while too.

1. All pages in the Leonard Cohen name space can be seen here LC ns, that is Prefix Index from Special pages. Similarly you can look for any other name space like CL ns. all the pages in CL ns should be redirects pointing to identically named song in LC namespace. This list contains any page that maybe an orphan page.
2. All pages that have a link to Leonard Cohen (all the above pages + all pages in other name spaces) can be seen here Links to LC note that it includes Lewis Furey and other artist pages... ergo Links to CL (only 1 link to user page)
3. 3rd possibility is all pages with plain text Leonard Cohen or Cohen Leonard that can be found from the sidebar google which contains all the above instances plus any categories, talk pages etc. with LC/CL included

items 1 & 2 above should cover everything one would normally be be looking for re artist.

Looking only at an artist page can lead to confusion, if you look at this artist page, there are no songs listed 2 months since page creaion but.. there are 20 songs that are hidden from the Janitor because of redirects and maybe Janitor has problems with rtl text as well. This is the point when one would look at orphaned pages, but those 20 pages are not considered orphan by lw because they are linked to redirects. (this is where we either need to redefine orphan or delete some redirects selectively to pull pages from Oblivion.)

I hope I did not provide any redundant information ;) let me know if I can be of further assitance. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 19:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

• p.s. you may wish to take a look at this discussion as well.

Thanks, ES, especially for such unaccustomed for you redundancy ;), because your answer in essence means only one: currently there is no stright method of extractig the list of such really orphaned songs. In either way after getting the full list of songs in particular namespace we must itterate entire list checking for songs having no backlinks from artist or album pages. At least that's the way I found all mentioned LC songs (including those, redirected later to Lewis Furey). The only difference was in using mwapi for that. Anyway, such itterating is a very costly, and I absolutely agree with your oppinion, expressed in mentioned discussion: Orpaned pages must be redetermined to detect such oblivion. Btw, that's not the only one case when we are burdening servers with giant jobs and queries instead of creating handy & efficient tools for getting desirable result with minimal efforts on both - client & server - sides. cheers, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 22:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The last we heard on this.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Bob the Great

I don't know who told you to move all Bob Marley & The Wailers to Bob Marley, lesser still why, but I spent a good percentage of my afternoon moving it all back. So if they ask again can you do me a favour? Tell them to check their facts, i.e. look at album covers, etc., or refer them to me. Thanks.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 01:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

You could've looked...lol [6] [7] Two years later, you are barking up the wrong tree. Happy editing :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 03:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok well since twomeanings and Kiefer have reminded us of the correct procedure for moving artists {{Move}}, something that it seems we had almost forgotten about, this isn't likely to happen again.

But if you didn't actually move these pages, why have you listed them at #82 and #83 in your Articles_to_be_merged#Other "Duhn" list of "Completed work"?

If you say you've duhn them, I doubt many would think "No I'm sure he hasn't" and then think they needed to check the history of the page! I didn't think I needed to anyway.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

About abs new single

The correct name (in the official abs site) is "STRENGTH.", for the single and song, right? I don't remember any rule for page names that would change this to "Stregth", like done in the song page; We shouldn't change it back?— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.14.135.5 (talk), 13:50, 8 March 2009.

Please see LW:PN ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 10:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it before suggesting the reversion to "STRENGTH.". The official site and many other sources use the "all-letter-capitalized-and-dot" version, so I take this as the correct version of the song/single. So, into the LyricWiki context, in LW:PN, the first letter of each word should be capitalized, and the others letters should stay in the official format (the example in LW:PN, ABBA instead of ABBA, is very similar to this, right? it say "The artist's name in this example is kept all in capitals, because that is the closest to the original's format", about the artists name, but I don't see anywhere about song names should be different).

So, I think the title of the song STRENGTH., from abingdon boys school, should be Abingdon Boys School:STRENGTH., instead of the actual, Abingdon Boys School:Strength.189.72.110.235 17:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Assuming that you are correct, there are many more song pages that must be filed in ALL CAPS form, examples of Abingdon Boys School: INNOCENT SORROW, DOWN TO YOU, DESIRE, HOWLING -INCH UP- , and many more songs by many other artists. Unfortunately LW:PN does not provide a clear example. So the documentation needs an update to calrify the capitalization issue. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 17:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I belive that an update in the documentation to clarify the capitalization of song titles (especially japanese ones, as you points out, there are many of them out here) is a good idea... I, personally, think the better option is use the names referencied by official sources (the official website from the artist, if possible), but i really don't discuss the reason for the polices in LW:PN, and don't expect to change it (actually, I'm just a unregistred-user-with-poor-english ;-) ), but if possible, I want to get the artist and song names as close as the original as possible.

So, to resolve the question in STRENGTH., INNOCENT SORROW, HOWLING, etc., should we talk with someone else? I would be happy in change the others songs in abingdon boys school page immediately after the resolution

Let's get a good consensus for us and LW 189.72.110.235 20:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, echosierra o/ I've seen now that the problem with capitalization was solved in LW:PN, thanks for clarify this ;)

Hi, Thank you for bringing it up :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 11:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Bouncing Souls

When SE2 gets mended, can you change the artist name in song and in songfooter from Bouncing Souls to The Bouncing Souls. I batch moved the artist page and all the songs etc., but I got into some kind of loop situation when trying to correct the artist name on song pages. Thanks.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 08:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Language

Ok since I have nowhere else to put this, then I apologize and you can delete this if need be.

I'll try and make sure to remember that for future reference, sorry I didn't get the message sooner, but I'll just start adding it when I add the album in the footer.

Salzion

Hey EchoSierra I too will try to add the language from now on, it's easy when it's English, but for some lyrics Amadou & Mariam:Batoma for example (which has just been flagged as french) it's difficult when they are a mix of French & African. --Ptha 17:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I had a look at the help page regarding the language parameter and there it's stated: If the singer switches between two different languages while performing a song, both languages should be entered in alphabetical order separated by a hyphen, e.g. English-German, German-Russian. I didn't realise you could specify more than one language, I will follow this directive from now on. --Ptha 00:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I noticed...

[8]. Think these have to remain caps. It's an oriental thing. See the wiki link too.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 04:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The Tea Party

I believe my revisions to the page http://lyricwiki.org/The_Tea_Party were legitimate, and not in fact vandalism. I simply removed the live EP "Live At The Enmore Theatre (1999)", since it is a live album and has no exclusive song that are not found on their studio albums.

Rather than have two seperate listings for the "Triptych" album I added the bonus disc to "Triptych (1999)" and removed the "Special Tour Edition 2000 (2000)".

"Embryo" is an instrumental track featured on "Transmission". It is part of the song "Babylon". On Transmission "Babylon" runs to 4:52. This includes the instrumental "Embryo". However, on Tangents "Babylon" runs to 2:50, a whole two minutes shorter; this version does not include Embryo.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lukehatton (talk • contribs), 10.05 22 March 2009.

'return to top of page'

The Home key on the keyboard already does that, for every program, without adding any extra software, it's a cheap solution to let's duplicate everything in ArtistFooter ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 11:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness, especially when coupled with amnesia ;)

By which I mean if the Home key on your particular keyboard takes you to the top of the page, (which incidentally mine doesn't, it only takes me to the beginning of a line), why did you specifically request in Administrators Portal for this to be added to artist page?

"a navigation button at bottom of page that does (Go Top) so that AH stuff will always be one click away, even on long pages/short screens"

It was your idea..

It don't make no sense to me... ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC) *goes off shaking head*

Warning

As the message given in the {{WarnUser}} template isn't appropriate here, consider this instead an intervention. Your continued disrespect for other editors, abuse of new users such as Lukehatton, and general erratic and confusing behavior in discussions has forced me to deal with the situation in a more official manner. It's obvious that you disagree on a number of things with a number of people, but you often creep towards troll-hood when you respond to peoples concerns and opinions. "Yeah, well, remember this edit that you made two or three months ago!"-type of responses just isn't as constructive two or three months after the edit was made, and reeks of some sort of silent score-keeping on your part. Some level of respect must still exist even when disagreements are taking place.

In the example with User:Lukehatton, you did a little research that told you something different than what he was doing, so you reverted, dropped a reference link on his talk page without any explanation as to what the point was that you were attempting to make, and then later, even though he hadn't made any further edits to the page, slapped a {{WarnUser}} on him and protected the page from "vandalism". He could rightly have been thoroughly angry at this, but instead responded calmly, concisely, and respectfully here on your talk page. Which is the right thing to do. And you know what...? He is correct. He has been doing things correctly that you accuse him of doing incorrectly. I have unprotected the page and restored the Embryo instrumental page, by the way, and fully expect him to come back and restore his edits.

You go through periods where you appear to be combative about almost everything, big or small and it just isn't conducive to a wiki environment. I don't remember this being the case when you first started on the site or as admin. You got along well with everybody that you don't get along with now. You were equally as gung ho, but willing to work with others. I don't know if your "offline" situation has become stressful and you're bringing that negativity to the site or whether the stress is originating here, but perhaps taking a vacation from here for a little bit might eliminate a bit of the frustration or whatever that you're feeling. Recharge the batteries or something, but do everyone a favor and stop trying to rattle everyone's cage and going around spooking the newbies. It's just not worth the additional stress.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The question is: what is the official source for the tracklist (album title etc.), when the sources are in conflict? I refreneced muzicbrainz & itunes (and I own the album in question). The tracklist issue will come up again, just like caps, official release title (see above "Abingdon boys school: STRENGTH.", still unresolved) etc. Whenever I have protected a page, it was so that it can officially (meaning 'by bureaucracy') clarified and hopefully lw documentation updated. I've had a great time here, if I didn't, I'd leave! That's as far as I will toot my horn. You are absolutely correct, it's not worth the stress, let's get the documentation updated. hth ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 07:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, guys, calm out! Take a little pause & look what all these emotions are based on! All these trivialities aren't worth the stress, indeed. The best solution would be to meet in some Vilnius pub with a pint of good lithuanian beer, and I'm sure all these pseudo-problems'd be solved, though I'd have what to say for both you too ;). Anyway, ES - I even agree to meet the bill (for beer, not for trip of course ;)), - just to hold you from hot-tempered decissions :). Your friend --Senvaikis ^(talk) 10:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Or we could meet here in Saskatoon, Leonard Cohen is in concert next month, the local beer speaks for itself (9%) ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 10:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Better now :)--Senvaikis ^(talk) 11:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Waiting for a situation to be clarified is not an acceptable use of page protection, though. That's what discussion is for. You wanted it one way, the editor had it another, so you changed it to your way and then protected it without bringing up a discussion about the situation to the editor (putting a few links to pages with your tracklist isn't discussion), instead you Warned the editor against vandalism. That's clear abuse of power. Page protection is for a page that is constantly getting vandalized or damaged, not for a one-time edit that you disagree with. This was not a case of spamming or obvious damage, but a difference of opinion. I'm weary of reminding/telling you to discuss things before taking major action, whether by bot or, in this instance, by admin-only powers.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   14:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, protecting the page was clearly bad judgement. However I wasn't trying to apply my taste, rather applying what is the official track list (and this is not the only example), and the track list is not the only issue, the correct spelling of a band's title, album, songs etc. I owe you two beers, since I don't drink :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 10:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Vacation

Hey Echo,
First off let me say that I definitely appreciate all of the hard work you've put in on LW. However, your comments (usually on talk pages) have been taking a noticeable toll on the stress levels of several users and admins. It would be a good time for you to take a sabbatical/vacation/whatever. This is referring to basically the same sort of thing that Kiefer mentioned before. I think a little time away would do the trick to calm things down a bit. When/if you're feeling better in a few weeks or so, you can always come back... but if you think you'd still be tempted to use passive-agressive (or just aggressive for that matter) wording; then please extend the break as long as necessary.
Again, I really appreciate the work you've done - tens of thousands of really good edits. There is no discounting the value of those contributions and I'm not trying to - this is purely based on the importance of maintaining a low-stress environment for the community.
Hope to see you again (under better circumstances) in the future,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 13:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 13:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Corner Gas

Hi, ES. Good joke, but it cost me half an hour of vain efforts trying to find some LC release with this song :). Can I ask you a favor to cope with this? cheers,--Senvaikis ^(talk) 09:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You are joking, I wasn't! It clearly states that it's a test. Obviously I wasn't going to use a real LC page. The test got as far as fetching PrefixIndex via bot (it's broken and has been all along) I updated to python 3.0 and that broke the bot. So when pywikipediabot is updated to work with python 3.0, some progress may be made. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 10:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

lol, of course it was a joke, but I wasn't lyin' - it really took half an hour to come to reason and look inside of the song page to see your clear statement :). Are you (or your bot) always reading the lyrics of the song before starting to search? Btw, LC is Canadian; "Corner Gas" - Canadian TV sitcom too, so it was natural to believe that song may belong to LC :). cheers, --Senvaikis ^(talk) 10:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The artist indicated in the SongFooter of Corner Gas was Wide Mouth Mason (local boys), that was another hint ;) One of the issues I was trying to discover was: Given the namespace, the artist in SongHeader and artist in SongFooter, which one is used for prefindex, pages that ref artist, pages that link to artist etc. And what happens if any of these three 'artists' is out of sync with the other two, and what can be done to avoid this mismatch of artists in song pages...another discussion.

As for searching for songs I always look at the lyrics, as they may contain (inside the lyric box) information that saves me a google search. Many songs as imported by Uberbot or submitted by contributors and present on various lyric sites contain album/year/chart rank/lyricist/composer/cover info and even entire musician list. Things get more difficult with bootlegs, see Neil Young bootlegs page. The bot interface is deficient in that only the lines that need modification are displayed, not the entire page. So sometimes I use two instances of the bot (each in it's own Terminal window) one for viewing the entire page, and another for viewing the edit target lines. I also use a database application that allows pulling an entire web page into a field for further processing, so I can view anything on lw (in raw text or pretty web version) without using a web browser. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 11:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

To be merged sandbox..what's the difference between "needing verification" and "--?--"  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 11:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

needing verification means artist was moved but artist in SongHeader & SongFooter is not the same as namespace. (there is no automatic way of finding these, except via WLH) --?-- means pages need to be moved. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 12:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah Ok, well seems I totally misunderstood this then, because I thought it meant that you knew the artist pages needed moving but you just weren't sure which of the two names was the correct one. So I have been trying to establish these for you.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

you mean for lw, those are not personal requests. lol :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 12:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Ok for LW, but you are the one who's moving them...  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 12:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you recall the "The" artists list that was in Sean's user pages? King's page is the daughter of that list. Someplace to keep track of artists whose songs are scattered over multiple artist pages, for whoever is interested in doing it. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 12:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I remember how it came about, which is what I meant here by "set up for a specific reason". I recently done a few from the Request for Moves page, but my bot skills aren't up to yours, they are very limited, so any tricky ones that appear on that page I'm leaving.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 13:15, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

And that is why it's a good idea to keep them listed, on any page that works, until we get a "Artist Manifest" function. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 13:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Al Jarreau

Oh my eyes! My eyes! --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

You're expecting discography I guess? ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 15:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I see the page was hit with that new virus... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 15:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL! I think only bots have touched that page (except for me adding hometown info). It just surprised me. I've never encountered an artist page with so much that is there but not there. Some Al Jarreau fan will fix it eventually, I'm sure. --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Almost only bots. The album list was added by Speckmade in the dim and distant past. (While I never bought the line about those not knowing History being doomed to repeat it, it is instructive sometimes.) — 6x9 (Talk) 15:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Well today is Al's commuppance, and the local library has 14 disks and 1DVD of him...hmmmm ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 15:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Requesting your input

Please see the discussion at LyricWiki_talk:Community_Portal#Poetry_on_CD. Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   22:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The Black Eyed Peas

Hi there, it's me again. Hey, I just noticed your edit where you changed the fLetter on TBEP from "T" to "B". Is it a good idea to do that so that the THE groups will be easier to find rather than all grouped under T? I hadn't thought of that and if I had I'd have probably worried that it would break the wiki or something  ;-) Should I start doing that? --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   17:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that.. Instead of SUBST:ARTSITFLETTER I used ARTISTFLETTER, but strangely it was still showing "T", see the history! cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 17:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The fLetter magic words got fixed a while ago, so they don't skip The/A/An anymore (so they're safe for use in those cases, at least). — 6x9 (Talk) 13:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Prog/MetalArchives in ArtistFooter?

I'm not sure whether we should really add them… (Speaking of floodgates.) I worry that we might start getting all sorts of requests for parameters for this comprehensive Rap & Hip Hop site, that extensive Blues site, THE definite resource for French artists… What I am planning to do, once a pagetype variable is added to Song/Album/AH templates, is to roll all different templates into one for each site (i.e. DiscogsArtist & -Release into Discogs etc). — 6x9 (Talk) 13:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

My goal is to have them categorised, so that all progarchive artists can be seen in one place just like all am/mb/iTunes artists etc. And that is why I suggested the youtube artist channel as well, so that they can be found/updated etc. without any person having to remember which artist has that info, or scan thru +30K artists looking for them. So it's categorising that I'm after, not a new bunch of blank param labels under every artist page that will most likely never get filled anyway;)

And I'm not a great fan of explicit category defs like [[Category/External:ProgArchive]] either, your magic beats them all hands down any day. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 02:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:ProgArchives/Artist All of these "small" ext.-link templates include category links, no need to move them to AF just for this. At least I hope they all do… — 6x9 (Talk) 12:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

cool! in that case best keep them out of ArtistFooter, only those who need it will get it. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 12:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Snazzy boxes

Here it is. --Frontway 09:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded the screenshot of Kiefer's work to show that what looks pretty darned ugly on windows looks fine (by me anyway) on a Mac (FF 3.0.8), however, yours looks even better. btw:Thanks for the genre boxes, and good to see you're active again :) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 13:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you read Russian?

Somebody thought this would make a good artist page. They done quite a bit of work on it. Such a shame to just kill it. Do you know where the appropriate place to move it might be? --    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   16:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, done. it's at Сегодня ночью, I only recognize russian. ES (Talk)

Please have a look at LW:PN. Thanks! (tee hee) Сегодня Ночью should be the correct page, don't you think? (Not that I read Russian either, but character height is a good indicator for caps.) — 6x9 (Talk) 21:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

The entire artist pages needs moving to Cyrillic (romanized) anyway, no? by the time I got there it was too late, and it just has to get added to the batch move queue... ES (Talk)

We also need code to detect all the artists who need romanized artist, not just CJK artists...Hebrew, Cyrillic etc. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 01:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

But , where is the Lyric ?

I added a lyric to in secrecy , and now he is gone... got an idea ?

wait wait wait ;)

You mean i have to retype everything in HIGHERCASE ? (dont know if it is the rigt word :D ) or shall I add a SONG TITLE #1| to everything?  :D Iam Confused !!  :D

Doooneeee  :)

Lyric appeared , its like Magic ;)

kk , i do it ;)

But later this should be a gold star site  :D see u later cheers

Can u Check it ?

I think I'm ready  :) cheers

(Edited by AtzeX 13:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC))

ay , its me again ;)

I just check out my favorite artists and try to complete things. but, can cou tell me why this site :

http://lyricwiki.org/Thursday:Kill_The_House_Lights_(2007)

only shows 2 entries ? Thx

(Edited by AtzeX 14:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC))

British Overseas Territories

H Echo, I noticed that you changed hometown info for Alphonsus Cassell from British West Indies/Montserrat to United Kingdom/British West Indies/Montserrat which is perfectly fine with me. Only problem is that now British West Indies/Montserrat show as red links on that page. Could you work your category magic and move BWI/M to a sub-category of UK so the links will be active again? Please and thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC) P.S. - would you be so kind as to add the Montserrat flag to its cat. page? I looked on wikipedia and they show a flag for Montserrat but none for British West Indies. Ciao!

When you have a minute, take a look at Dependent territory, there is more work to do in the hometown categories. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 17:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Do You know where to find Bands with a gold Star ? i want to look for information. Would be nice. Cheers (Edited by AtzeX 15:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC))

Edited by AtzeX 15:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Check Category:Gold Artists (ignore 6 Times 9). See also Category:Gold Albums, Category:Gold Singles, Category:Gold Films, and Category:Gold Songs. --WillMak050389 16:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

hey its me again. sorry. but ,

Do you have some german admins/ mods ? because the next question is hard for me to translate in English better: I think it will be hard for u to understand. ;)

(Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 16:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC))

There is nobody to help here is my post from page problems discussion,

I hope you can help me :

I need a little help with the Page Rank System. e.g: there is a song. and this song is sooooo unbelievable boring, duration is 5 sec. and it is an instrumental means : there is no video and no chance to listen to it in the whole WWW. Question: Can I now leave this informations but rank this song Gold ? Thx for the Help

(Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 05:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

K, Great , but can u Explain me , what for the timed = thing is ? cause, I cant find the songs im currently working on lrcdb.org/. And the other thing , credits= is it enough to write the label in there ? or some thing like : written by Thursday ?

Thx 4 ya time. :)

Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 14:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

no sorry , i dont mean an instrumental with lrcdb.org . The Band : Thursday does not exist there.

(Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 14:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

How to show two wikipedia links ? is it allowed/possible/necessary ? (Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 15:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

Yes. (Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 15:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

could it be renamed ? e.g: non-English Wikipedia Article to German Wikipedia Article ? (Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 15:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

Okay, thank you so far. Thank for your help and for the time spent. Cheers (Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 15:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

its me again when i notice the credits which version is right :

<blaaa bli blubb ---this is the Lyric--- blaaa bli blubb

written by ....

</lyrics>

oder bei song info

|credits = .... ?

You need Help pages in german ;) one day , I will do that. :) The only thing to do is ask ;) :D sorry , my good mood :D

Cheers (Edited by th Greaaat AtzeX 18:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC))

What shall I do with ...

Lyrics which are on two Albums how do I mark this

http://lyricwiki.org/Thursday

on Full Collapse (2001) is a song called : Autobiography Of A Nation

and on Five Stories Falling EP (2002) is the same track. How to Mark it ?

cheers Edited by the Greaaat AtzeX 14:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Redirection

Hi. Have you, as admins, any tool for automatic redirection? There's the Other Songs section in Earth, Wind & Fire which, apart from the two first songs, the artist is graphed as Earth Wind & Fire or Earth Wind And Fire. Andero 18:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Andero 18:20, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I completely forgot to check any link; but thanks anyway, is good to know that there's no magic automatic redirection. :) Andero 18:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

Just thought might help you keep track. I won't edit them again.  ♫_♫Яєd_{xx ♪}♫♪_♫♪ ^Actions _Words 05:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:Invalid ArtistFooter Parameter

I was wondering if the minds over at ESlabs have been thinking of a way to clear out this category with S2E2. I was thinking of working on it, but I don't want to sink a week into it if there is someone else who has the solution that involves a bot. Let me know.
King_Nee1114 (talk page • contributions • deletions) 04:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

S2E2 i sout of action until further notice. I've been working off of the Hometwon Unknown, and fixing the Footers as I go (with at least mb filled as ref), there is lots of overlap btwn IAFP & HU. The invalid Footer params have so many variations (3 variations of genre, wiki, myspace & website may be present, etc.) that makes it mostly a minefield for a bot. Compared to that, processing Links to Redirects is a walk in the park. All Hail Janitor! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 14:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

allmusic woes

Trouble is, they are encoded (with {{urlencode:artist name}}), otherwise most links wouldn't even work (because of spaces). Unfortunately allmusic search doesn't work with the resulting escape codes. The best solution would be converting spaces to underscores, but leaving everything else… can't do that without the string extension though (and Sean is holding back on that because of performance issues). — 6x9 (Talk) 01:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

what is the search url and method that you are using?

p.s. The problem with tl|track is that Sean needs to add support for them in the api, don't think TK can do much \: ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 01:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Search URL is http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&opt1=1&sql= (got this from Senv). When you add e.g. "Herbert_Grönemeyer" or "Herbert+Grönemeyer" you don't get a 100% match, but the first link is a hit in both cases. urlencode produces "Herbert+Gr%C3%B6nemeyer" which shows lots of interesting and eclectic search results, but not the one you're looking for. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Why not convert accented chars to plain? that seems to work for Herbert & Motorhead... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 01:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

There's no parser function to do that… We could of course require romanizedArtist for all pages with non-ascii characters :-) Anyway, it's just a minor annoyance, copy & paste still works. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Momen no Handkerchief translation

Hi! You recently restored my edit when I deleted my translation that was up on the "Shiina Ringo - Momen no Handkerchief" translation page. Someone else copied and pasted my translation into that page. I never gave permission for it to be there. It is my translation, copyright to me, and I do not give permission for it to be there. I have deleted it again, please do not restore it again or you will be breaking copyright laws!!! Thanks. Frecklegirl 08:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the restoration of the translation of the song, fortunately, it appears that I was in error. I added the song to Category:Requests For Translation, so that other contributors may fill the void. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ☏ • ⎋ • ⌫) 22:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Artist page name question

I recently redirected ...But Alive (and the few tracks that were present) to its much more complete brother But Alive. But the actual artist name indeed starts with the 3 dots (pretty much like Trail of Dead)
Now.. thanks to the artist parameter this isn't much of a problem but I'm still interested what should be the correct page name. couldn't really find something about this specific case ("starts with dots") in the guidelines. If it actually has to be moved/renamed maybe some of you guys could run a script because I've no experience with such things :) thanks Firehawk 01:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Pagenames should be as close to the official name as possible (while still observing LW:PN), so ...But Alive is correct. I've moved all pages. Luckily there is a script for that. If you come across any other artist pages that need to be moved wholesale, you can put {{move|<<target page>>}} on the page and some admin will get round to it… eventually. (The category is rather full at the moment…) — 6×9 (Talk) 01:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I fixed the few links that got broken along the way. Everything looks fine now :) Firehawk 02:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Starbucks?

(M-flo:STARSTRUCK～ "The Return Of The LuvBytes" moved to M-flo:Starbucks～ "The Return Of The LuvBytes") - Starbucks??? - Chris 13:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Mistakes happen. Maybe a Freudian slip? I know I do the weirdest stuff when I suffer from coffee withdrawal. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)