Talk:DragonForce:Through The Fire And Flames

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[edit] Key Phrases in Dispute

The main lyric page has been protected because a couple of phrases are constantly in dispute. Those phrases are:

1. In a time before the light OR In the time before the light
2. On the blackest waves in hell's domain OR On the blackest plains in hell's domain
3. Through fire and pain and once again we know! OR In fire and pain and once again we know!
4. For the light source so wasted and gone OR For the lives all so wasted and gone
5. We're banished from the time in a foreign land OR We're banished from the time in a fallen land

If someone has a resource that is definitive (songbook?) in regards to these lyrics, that would be great, as the band's website does not appear to carry lyrics. Discussion about the phrases can go below.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   22:33, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Comments

I have a songbook with this and the right parts are as follows: 1.the 2.plains 3.through 4.lives all 5.fallen

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97.97.132.48 (talk • contribs).

Is it possible to scan those portions and post them here? (Large-sized pictures are generally discouraged, so scans of the entire page would likely be too massive, but scans of these phrases would be good.)

LINKS TO USE:

File:In the time before the light.jpg

File:On the blackest plains in hell's domain.jpg

File:Through fire and pain and once again we know.jpg

File:For the lives all so wasted and gone.jpg

File:We're banished from the time in a fallen land.jpg

   Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   23:34, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Verse 8

I believe instead of 'With resentment in their eyes' it's 'With resentment to their lies'. It's what it sounds like on my version of TtFaF. їтоқάяủ 16:08, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Agreed. most definitely a "to" and not an "in".    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   23:52, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] I know the real Lyrics

I have the lyrics book form the album inhuman rampage.

Send "Through The Fire And Flames" Ringtone to your Cell

On a cold winter morning
In the time before the light
In flames of deaths eternal reign
we ride towards the fight.

When the darkness has fallen down
and the times are tough alright.
The sound of evil laughter falls
Around the world tonight.

Fighting hard fight on for the steel
through the wastelands evermore.
The scatterd souls will feel the hells bodies
waisted on the shores. On the blackest plains
In hell's domain we watch them as they go.
Through fire and pain now once again we know.

So now we fly ever free,
we're before the thunderstorm
On towards the wilderness our quest carrys on.
Far beyond the sundown, far beyond the moonlight.
Deep inside our hearts and all our souls.

So far away we wait for the day,
for the lives all so wasted and gone.
We feel a pain of a lifetime
lost in a thousand days.
Through the fire and the flames we carry on.

As the red day is dawning
and the lightning cracks the sky.
We'll raise our hands
To the heavens above with resentment in their eyes

Running back from the mid morning light
With a burning in my heart.
We're banished from a time
in a fallen land to a life beyond the stars.

In your darkest dreams
see to believe
our destiny this time.
And endlessly we'll all be free tonight.

And on the wings of a dream
so far beyond reality.
All alone in desperation
now the time has come.

Lost inside you'll never find,
Lost within my own mind.
Day after day this misery must go on.

So far away we wait for the day....

Now we stand with
their blood on are hands.
we fought so hard
now can we understand

I'll break the seal
of this curse if I
Possibly can for freedom of every man.

So far away we wait for the day....

Send "Through The Fire And Flames" Ringtone to your Cell

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by LYRICMASTAH (talk • contribs).

What evidence do you have that these are the correct lyrics, though? The problem is that some people are editing the lyrics listed above one way, and others insist that the lyrics are the other way. At this point, there really needs to be some sort of evidence. As far as I can tell, you have presented essentially (with a few minor differences) what is currently on the page, although with a few missing words and spelling errors.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:11, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, the only reasonable solution would be to scan the said "lyrics book", upload it on some image sharing site, and link it from here. --Friendly lurker. 15:15, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Actually, just scan the sections and use the links above to upload them to LyricWiki.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   22:44, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] A new development has occurred in the DragonForce trials...

Without even looking over this talk page, I just wanted to post that I uploaded this image which should clear up any disputes, I'm just too busy right now to transcribe/check the lyrics. If no one sees this, I'll try to fix asap, probably tomorrow (maybe not, idk)... --WillMak050389 05:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, WillMak! The answers are now clear!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Song Structure

I was curious about the structure of this song (like verse, chorus, bridge), is there anyone here that knows exactly how this song is structured?

[edit] Verse 5 Line 3

I have heard my version of TTFAF thoroughly, especially on that line, and have concluded that either Theart sang the wrong lyrics, or the lyric book's typist put in the wrong lyrics. I am 100 percent certain that Theart sang "They'll raise their hands to the heavens above" and not "We'll raise our hand." On reflection, "We'll raise our hand to the heavens above with resentment in their eyes" is bad grammar anyway.

I do not know how this would help or if it even would. I mean to make an observation. Rdli1995 17:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed Lyrics

Listening to the song, the lyrics are clearly as follows. The ones here are not exactly the same as the ones in the lyricbook, but Theart could have sung them wrong or they typed them wrong. Theres a good chance for the latter option considering how much they [DragonForce] drank when they started their band.

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toxin Symbio (talk • contribs).

To be honest, I don't have the time to compare the two. Can you indicate the lines you think should be altered? --WillMak050389 01:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I've got the track, and the lyrics are currently correct. This is a tough song, but we've finally got accurate lyrics. Good work, everybody!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   05:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)