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[edit] Welcome...

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...to the Community Forum's talk page! This is the place to talk about the site with other editors, make plans for future changes, discuss problems and discover solutions.

With the recent move to the Wikia family of wikis some things got broken and are in need of fixing. With such a major event this was expected, but we have a great team working together on fixing all the known issues so things should be back to normal very soon. Just be aware that you may experience some weirdness amongst our pages during this transitional phase! If you do discover a problem that you think we may not be aware of, this would be a good place to mention it.

Have fun, keep a cool head in discussions, and remember to always sign your posts!

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  • Topics are in relative chronological order, top to bottom.
  • Further discussions can be found by following the links on the Long Term Projects page.
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[edit] Say hi to Kyle!

Thought I'd introduce you guys to Kyle who works on Wikia's Community Team. He's helping oversee a lot of the transition work so that we can iron out all of the problems. Once we get that all tamed, he'll still be around... it's basically his job to help grow LyricWiki and make it as awesome as possible :) So he's cool.
-Sean Colombo 19:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
PS: If you've been watching the bug list on my talk page, then you're already familiar with TOR. He's one of the developers and he's been tearing through that bug list quite fast (nice to not be the lone person w/server access anymore!).

Hi! It's awesome to have LyricWiki here. :) You've probably seen me around making small changes to some MediaWiki messages and templates to help finish getting everything set up. We're super-close to getting everything up and running, but LyricWiki is a pretty complicated place, and making everything work, as well as doing some of the new stuff that we have to do to keep the record industry happy, has been a lot of work. Over the short term, here are some changes you will notice:
  • Advertising: As a logged-in user, you should notice fewer ads than you saw before. The only ads that you will see are two ads on the homepage, spotlights for other wikis, and the ring tone ads. Unfortunately, our agreement with Gracenote required us to remove the option to disable ring tone ads for logged-in users. As an aside, if you understand CSS, you can customize how the site looks to you personally by editing your personal monaco.css file (if you are using Monaco). Using that, you can change colors, hide certain elements within the page, and do all sorts of other stuff. You can read more about it here. You may want to create a custom skin--take a look at WoWWiki and FFXIclopedia for inspiration.
  • Gracenote pages: We will be creating a separate namespace called "Gracenote" which will have the official versions of about 300,000 lyrics that Gracenote will provide for us. We will need to adjust the template for lyrics within the main namespace to add a link to these lyric pages if the same page exists within the Gracenote namespace, but other than adding the link, the main namespace lyric pages won't have to change (both can exist). The official Gracenote pages won't be editable, and we have to add in a bunch of extra security to help prevent people from saving or copying those pages, but because they're separate from everything else, we don't anticipate that these restrictions will cause any headaches.
  • Search engine tweaks: I have asked some of the search engine experts at Wikia to take a look at LyricWiki and help boost the search engine ratings. We'll be putting links elsewhere on Wikia to help boost it too. For most of these changes, I'll present them to you guys so you can take a look and provide any feedback before we make them live. I have some ideas for how to make the homepage automatically present things in the correct language, and for some tweaks for the category structure. I'll let you know when I have more to show on this.
If you have any questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask! I'll be checking this page often, but you can also shoot me a message on my talk page, or shoot me an email at kyle@wikia-inc.com.
Thanks! --KyleH@Wikia (talk) 19:39, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Hi KyleH
Thanks for the update, also for your efforts (and of course TOR's) in resolving the problems resulting from the move. Sean has created a great site and through his efforts has won the support and respect of some great people (like me of course ;), so it's good to know that his legacy is set to live on.
And to any of our users who may not be entirely happy about the move, just remember that sometimes things have to change in order to grow. Cheers!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 00:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC) Apologies, I've not been here as much recently so I've only just seen this.

[edit] {{Album}} and {{Film}}

Thanks to various new parser functions that have become available since the move, the "Released" parameter in the above templates is no longer necessary, since the year can be extracted from the pagename. (This will also avoid cases where a user changes the parameter without moving the page accordingly.) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:10, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if this has anything to do with the above, but when you click on album link, it wants to create artist page. De Pre Historie 1950 (1999)  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 06:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
That's because there's no colon in the pagename. That's nothing new. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
Duh!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 16:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia in SongFooter?

Should we keep the wikipedia parameter in {{SongFooter}}? I once (way back when) requested its inclusion, because the {{Wikipedia}} template didn't look too great on song pages, but now {{WP-Song}} does a pretty good job (even with the revamped {{Instrumental}} template, which I suspect Kiefer and Red have grown to like far more than they're willing to admit). So… keep it (and fix it so the link actually works) or remove it? — 6×9 (Talk) 11:40, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

One thing I know for sure: we must pursue minimize ambiguity where it's possible. Leaving wp in SF seems for me (& Lwt ;) simpler, handier, more homologous and logical (isn't it external link eventually?), but that doesn't seem very important for me and further I do know R&K will not agree :). So, instead of voting "for" one of forms I vote against leaving both. cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:06, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't it decided that Wikipedia was supposed to show up automatically as a link in the External Links if there wasn't a {{WP-Song}} on the page? The parameter isn't necessary. I think that this change got lost in some of the, uh...confusion that was going on at the time of the discussion.
Senv, one of the purposes of the Wikipedia badge at the top (as opposed to hiding it in the External Links section is so that people don't feel that they need to add encyclopedic info to the page. No sense in doubling what WP already does, and does (thanks to their millions of editors) better than we could. That would certainly be less logical, yes?  :-]
Yes, I like the instrumental template now, btw. I believe I said so at the time that the change took place. It wasn't that I was opposed to any change of the template itself, just the change in losing the original's inner border which made the words get lost visually. The more graphic version is a wonderful improvement, which ensures that the information needed doesn't get lost.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   16:23, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
I was just kidding, you know. (Well, in your case anyway, not sure about Red… *ducks*) I can't remember a discussion about an auto-link to WP, are you sure you don't confuse this with ArtistHeader/-Footer? Either way, I think Wikipedia search links like those for Amazon etc. are a really good idea. Anyone opposed? (And while we're at it, why not for AlbumFooter as well?) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:48, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
Probably so (with ArtistHeader/-Footer confusion), since the issue is the same. It's best to have a badge, but if not, then a blind link to WP in the External Links is the next best thing. Sorry, my humor button is in the shop today. I've got a loaner, but unfortunately, it's set to only go off for fart jokes. (My guess is that it originally belonged to a middle-schooler.) I'm ducking too. Red swings wiiiiide.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   17:34, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
I have grown to accept the new instrumental template ;) Rfl. I also like the treble clef..but I still miss the box (lol). I got to agree with 6 here Kiefer, I can't remember a discussion about an auto-link to WP, only with regards to ArtistHeader/-Footer. Anyways, I'm not sure this really answers the question but I like the WP-Song and the empty Wikipedia parameter being included on album pages. I don't mind what you do but please don't do away with them!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 20:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Wikipedia links in ArtistHeader… You might have noticed already that instead of the generic (and ugly) "non-English Wikipedia article" you now get "Russian/Chinese/Spanish… Wikipedia article". This also means that it's no longer necessary to only use the "wikipedia2" parameter for non-English links and to use the "wikipedia" parameter for English links only. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{SongFooter}} changes

As per the discussion above ↑ I've made a few changes to said template. The most important ones are: (1) The wikipedia parameter is no longer supported; please use {{WP-Song}} instead. (2) There are now Wikipedia search links for artist, album and song; they will be suppressed if {{WP-Song}} is present. (3) SF can now get the album from the first {{Song}} parameter, so the album parameter is no longer necessary (unless the album pagename is different from the actual title for technical reasons). — 6×9 (Talk) 11:13, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Good work 6!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 16:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] ASIN in ArtistFooter

The asin parameter in {{ArtistFooter}} has been fixed so it only needs the actual ASIN, not the "artistname/e/" part. This way it's more consistent with Song- and AlbumFooter. Unfortunately this breaks all current links, but our resident cyborg will fix these ASAP. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:17, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Akuma links

The format for Akuma links has been simplified: instead of "artist,p12345,index" or "album,r67890,index" it is now just "p12345" or "r67890". The old format will still work, until all links have been converted. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:00, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] User_talk ads triggering new-message notice?

Example of user_talk ad problems.

Hello. It looks like advertisements are being inserted into user_talk pages, and triggering the new-messages notice. The change is incorrectly attributed to the last editor of the page. Is this supposed to be happening? —Pathoschild 01:23:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I got this notification about 5 times, I hid the message 3 times and since then it doesn't show up anymore. I don't know how this worked, but it did^^ - Chris 17:05, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] translation from English to other language

Hi~, I wrote first time perhaps.

I really like Pink Floyd and Waters. So I hope to translate some tracks of Waters from English to Korean. But I don't know the convention of LyricWiki. If you know the sample case, please let me know.

Ciao. --Zepelin 03:35, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Zepelin,
First go to the page you'd like to translate. Then open it a second time, but append /ko to the URL. This site is the translation-subpage and likely won't exist so far of course.
Delete the automatically created contents on the translation-subpage like {{Song}} or {{SongFooter}} because they are not needed on translation-pages. Use the templates {{TranslatedSong}} and {{Translation}} instead as described in the documentation at their pages. The translations help page may be useful for you too.
After you have translated the song, add the {{TranslatedSong}} template to the original page.
Be careful with the "current"-parameter of {{TranslatedSong}}: the original page no current-parameter as it's not displaying a translation, whereas the translation-subpage has got current=ko for "Korean".
If you've got any questions, maybe look at the example song and their translations, this might help you to understand the (very easy once understood) system. If you're still not sure if you did it right, just save your work and let me or 6 know which song you tried to translate and one of use will check it for technical mistakes.
Have fun - Chris 17:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Chris.
I did it for try. And satisfied by simple parallel lyrics and translation. I think direct links for translations is needed in musician page or album page. I hope that it'll be made sooner or later. --Zepelin 17:52, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
Looks great :) As for the translations: well, this is a bit tricky, because usually the translations are only interesting for those who are interested in the song itself, too, and therefore a link on the actual songpage is much more sensible than a link on any other page that might be hit by someone who's interested. I once did it because Janitor (Bot) was putting the songs as "orphaned songs" on the artist pages, but this behaviour should be fixed by now I think. - Chris 18:47, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question: Status of the API?

All:

Given the move to Wikia and the Gracenote relationship has the ability to fetch lyrics through the API been reinstated? If not, why and when <grin>?

--Steve 16:29, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Projects

Copied by Redxx from Humbug's talk page:

One thing I would like to see is a "Current Projects" page (and "Project of the month") made prominent on the community portal page. Humbug 10:05, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Cheers Red :P Basically, if you want to keep up with what's going on it involves reading a bunch of Mod's talk pages, this page, etc. and there's so much there that it takes a while to get your head around it and find out what changes the community are working on at the time. ♫ LYRIC-Humbug words♪deeds 15:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Greasemonkey Scripts for LyricWiki

Hello everyone,

I developed a Greasemonkey Script for LyricWiki to add a tab "purge" next to the "watch"/"unwatch" tab. If you use Mozilla Firefox and its Add-on Greasemonkey you can use my script by following these steps:

  1. Download the script
  2. Extract the zip-archive
  3. Additionally to the English version "lyricwiki_purge_page" there's a German version "lyricwiki_seite_aktualis" for the ones that use the German LyricWiki interface
  4. Simply open the only file in the folder (*.js file) with Mozilla Firefox
  5. Greasemonkey will detect the file as a userscript and ask if you want to install the script
  6. After installing, every watchable page gets a "purge"-tab, so the special pages of course have none

Have fun. If there are any bugs, f. e. with finding the correct URL to purge, you can notify me via my talk-page. Feedback in general is always welcome, too. - Chris 20:49, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well done, Chris, - congrats :). Let me make some notes to this little toy:
  • Strictly speaking, element LI should be a child of element UL (id:page_controls), in other words - nextsibling, not a child of E.parentNode (el. LI id:control_watch or id:control_unwatch)
  • Constructor for refresh address (PN) has minor bug: it doubles "&action=purge" part for pages, containing it already. You may try it on my userpage f.e. (it contains refresh button File:Refresh.png, making the same job). Result - nonexisting page.
  • Script code is rather simple, but it may be simpified yet more. So, these 3 lines 
 var A2 = document.createAttribute("href"); 
 A2.nodeValue="/index.php?title="+PN+"&action=purge";
 A.setAttributeNode(A2);
may be changed by this one: 
 A.setAttribute('href', "/index.php?title="+PN+"&action=purge");
  • Attaching some icon to the button would be desirable to keep style continuity. And finally, I'd titled this button "Refresh", not "Purge" :)
All these notes are checked & validated by testing on my box :). cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:08, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
  1. I'm not sure if some points of your post are because we use different styles, I use "monobook", and there the "ul" hasn't got any id, so I had to go that way around by getting me any childnode with any ID from that UL, then go 1 nodelayer upwards (parentNode) and append the next LI-Element: Picture
  2. The link-constructor only was designed for plain name after lyrics.wikia.com/ or any "index.php?...". I didn't kwow you can append "?..." to usual URLs, too. This bug will be fixed in the next update.
  3. setAttribute: sure, I didn't know I could just create two parameters because I got that JS bits from a different example of actions from selfhtml.org.
  4. About the icon: as I said, with monobook none of these tabs has got any icon, but sure, this is possible.
  5. I chose "Purge" because it's the action, but of course I can change it.
  6. I can also apply any hotkey/accesskey to it like Alt+Shift+[KEY], but which one isn't already used but still is sensible?
Chris 19:54, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Regarding p.1: If you doubt about my info reliability, just look what the same nodetree looks like on my box, "under my skin" :) 

<ul id="page_controls">
 .
 .
 .
 <li id="control_protect" class="">
  <div> </div>
  <a rel="nofollow" id="ca-protect" href="..."  title="...">
   Protect
  </a>
 </li>
 <li id="control_unwatch" class="">
  <div> </div>
  <a rel="nofollow" id="ca-unwatch" href="..."  title="..." accesskey="w">
   Unwatch
  </a>
 </li>
 <li id="control_share_feature" class="disabled">
  <div> </div>
  <a rel="nofollow" id="ca-share_feature" href="#" >
   Share this article
  </a>
 </li>
</ul>

So, hope now you can see that element E (id="ca-unwatch") here is anchor <a>, not <li>. So, E.parentNode.appendChild(LI) creates new LI element inside another LI instead of making it nextsibling. I'd not said that without checking, - believe me. I do believe that this tree may look different under another skin, but that doesn't make things better :). nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:35, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

If you think I didn't believe you that this id was appropriate, you misread something. I just wanted to point out that my way isn't wrong but the only possible for my skin (Monobook). I think I'll catch it by looking for id=page_controls which only exists in your skin (Monaco Sapphire/Jade/...) afaik, and if there's such an element it'll use it + icon, else it'll use watch/unwatch's parentNode without the icon... This should fit sourcecode as well as design.
Thank you for helping me to improve the script. - Chris 23:05, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Next version released: Download
Improvements:
  • Bugfix: Page name detection failed for certain URLs
  • Works for "Monobook" and "Monaco ..." styles now
  • Monaco: added icon
  • English version: Purge -> Refresh
  • Code improvement: creating node-attributes + value at once
  • Accesskey: [v] (Shortcut to refresh: Alt + Shift + v)
Chris 23:59, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
--Senvaikis (talk) 22:10, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Another script

This download contains a new version of Script #1, now using RegExp (thanks to Senv!) for URL-detection.
The other script was developed to trace the language of songs using Google Translate. It adds a link to Google Translate, next to the categories. It's generated dynamically, already containing the encoded lyrics of the song. To increase the quality of materia for Google, the script removes identical and blank lines. Due to any limit of characters submitted as URI, the script however submits a maximum of 30 lines.
A page not containing the {{NoLang}} template won't be changed in any way, no link will appear.

If you've got any old version of Script #1 installed, please uninstall it first (you can use the Greasemonkey manager). The new version has a change in the name, too.

Test it, have fun =) - Chris 02:30, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Note to Senv: if you can develop a better algorithm to get the lyrics I'd ge gladly using it. I tried to use the ringtone-matcher-divs' sourcecode as border-blocks, but I couldn't think of the appropriate RegExp. I'm not sure whether/how long the current border-blocks will stay available at that position in the page's source.

[edit] Fandyllic stuff

Hi, I'm new to LyricWiki and started editing, but mostly site maintenance oriented stuff like adding templates. However, I may be being too bold, so I will list what I've already done here and what I plan to do, so it isn't a surprise and I can get approvals before moving forward.

What I've already done
What I hope to do
  • Add lyrics.
  • Report problems on LyricWiki:Help Desk
  • I won't be updating plans and progress here anymore. If I do it will probably be on my user page.

-- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:50 AM PST 14 Nov 2009

I've read the Help:Forums page, and I'm still not sure what benefits that it would have for us. Watercooler appears to be what we use our Community Portal discussion page for, and the Help Desk we already have as well, just in a different location. I'm still open to it, but I'm interested in the benefits of having a Forums system as opposed to what we already have (that is easy for us admins to keep track of). Can you elaborate?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:26, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
At WoWWiki we had a similar system as currently in use at LyricWiki. Using one big page may work, if you only have a few dozen threads going at a time, but over time archiving and editing becomes a pain. I didn't find it too hard to monitor the forums because it would bold threads that were edited that I hadn't read, but I didn't use the watchlist mechanism that much.
The advantages of the forums:
  • Topics are kept separate so they can row large without affecting all the other stuff.
  • Topics sort by last edited at the top, so you don't have the issue where on a big page someone can start a topic anywhere on the page. Even with a watchlist if the page gets really big, you might have to hunt for changes.
  • Referring to a forum topic is easier because it is it's own seperate page, so if you wikilink to it, it will usually stay a good link. With the single page approach, you have to link to a section which may get archived and the link will break.
  • Since forums live in the Forum: namespace, you can restrict searches to that namespace and only get forum results.
  • If the number of topics get really really large, you can make a new forum for archiving them and changing to the archive forum requires only updating the {{forumheader}} template at the top.
Disadvantages of the forums:
  • Don't work with watchlists really, unless individual topics are watchlisted.
  • You can still create multiple sections on topic pages and it can get out of control and hard to track.
Perhaps you could ask a Wikia person if there is a way to watchlist a whole forum and that would solve your monitoring problem. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:43 PM PST 13 Nov 2009
Hi Fandyllic and welcome to our wiki. I'm one of the admins here. Now I don't wish to put a downer on your ideas but we already have a system here at LyricWiki which seems to work well. If it didn't we would change it. I'm also of the opinion that if it ain't broke don't fix it. And it ain't broke so...
There are however a million pages in need of editing ;)  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 17:07, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
There are plenty of things I can work on. I've also found I can override things with my user subpages (like adding Special:Search and Special:WhatLinksHere to the sidebar), so I don't really need to have things change for other folks.
Also, I may just want to wait awhile until the integration with Wikia is more "done" and come back when things are a bit smoother. There are a million pages to edit, but there are also many other wikis to help out with. I may focus on pointing out things that appear "broke" and leave the fixing to you admins. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:31 AM PST 14 Nov 2009

[edit] 1,000,000 content pages!

Congrats everyone! We've just passed 1 miiiiiiillion content pages (doesn't count talk pages, help pages, etc.). That's taken an enormous amount of hard work by everyone over the last 3.5 years. Great job, guys! You've all made the internets a better place! :D
For the curious, the 1 millionth page was Sonic Syndicate:Freeman which was added by Thepayne. Thanks Thepayne!
Yay!
-Sean Colombo 01:45, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Congrats. That makes LyricWiki huge! -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:51 PM PST 13 Nov 2009
Credit goes to you Sean. Congratulations!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 17:00, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
congratz mate =) LYRIC-Rumpel 19:59, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Good job, Sean. I'm glad the 1,000,000th page is a regular page and not a Gracenote or a userpage. - Chris 23:49, November 13, 2009 (UTC) P.S.: How about adding a note in the editor's corner?

[edit] Motive Force LLC

I assume Motive Force LLC was LyricWiki's previous host as I see the name mentioned all over the place. It looks like the fact that Motive Force was a non-profit might affect licensing of images and such. Have you asked Wikia about this issue? I believe Wikia has permission to use Wikipedia content via CC-by-SA, but I'm not sure about other stuff. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:11 PM PST 13 Nov 2009

Motive Force isn't a non-profit actually. But good catch that it's still listed here... since it doesn't own any of this site, we should clean that up. However, LyricWiki did convert to CC-by-SA before the deadline so that it was compatible with all other CC-by-SA sites so there should be no issue there.
-Sean Colombo 19:49, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hi there

I'm retired admin from WoWWiki that has stumbled across LyricWiki and want to help out. I wasn't sure how to go about it so I just started adding things I've seen used and helpful at WoWWiki and other wikis, but I probably should explain what I'm doing and plan to do, so people don't get upset and can approve of what I'm doing or plan to do.

Since I'm not specifically asking for help, I'll be posting my plans and progress at LyricWiki talk:Community Portal. I LyricWiki moves to the forums, I'll probably start posting at Forum:Watercooler (or whatever name it ends up having). -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:50 PM PST 12 Nov 2009

I've decided I'm not really going to work on stuff that has sitewide effects (forums, templates, etc.), since I sense admin resistance, so I'll be doing the standard adding lyrics and reporting problems here. I will join discussions at LyricWiki talk:Community Portal, but I'm not going to be posting plans and progress there (it seems kind of self-important, anyway). -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:48 AM PST 14 Nov 2009

[edit] Some issues

Being new here, I ran into a couple of problems right away. They aren't big, but maybe someone could look at them.

  • No obvious link to LyricWiki:Community Portal on the main page or sidebar. A direct link to LyricWiki:Help Desk would be nice too.
  • Common CSS seems to assume a dark text. I used the Wikia Monaco Gaming skin where default text is white, so much of it was unreadable over the white backgrounds.
  • The Wikia interlinking mechanism that allows internal style linking between Wikia wikis doesn't work. On most Wikia wikis, the following link would go to Help.Wikia.com: w:c:help:, but not on LyricWiki.

Otherwise, I'm looking forward to contributing. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:07 PM PST 12 Nov 2009

Most of the interwiki links had to be switched off because many interfered with links to our song and album pages. For example, having the "w:" prefix link to Wikia pages meant that the lone song by W was inaccessible. AFAIK (Kyle never told us) the only currently enabled IW links are "wikia:" (try wikia:c:help:) and "wikipedia:". — 6×9 (Talk) 18:25, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Welcome Fandyllic!
  • The side-bar still needs some work and will be getting some more facelifts soon, I'll keep in mind the Community Portal links, etc. (I also heard that each user can customize their own sidebar, so I'll look into that).
  • Do you think MediaWiki:Common.css should specify color:#000 explicitly on body? Does that sound like it would do the trick afayk?
  • For the interwiki linking, we have just have to spell out 'wikia' on this wiki instead of just w, so: wikia:c:help works. That's partially because W is a valid artist name. - oops, 6 beat me to it ;)
It's great to have you on board :)
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo 18:28, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
Quote: "No obvious link to LyricWiki:Community Portal on the main page or sidebar."
I don't know which skin you use, but with old Monobook-Skin the second link "LyricWiki-Portal" links to LW:CP - Chris 18:54, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
I think the default skin for new users is Monaco Sapphire, so you should probably check popular pages under that skin. I started with Monaco Gaming (dark background with white text), switched to Monaco Slate and now I'm using Monaco Sapphire to see what new users will see.
It appears there are no links to Community Portal or Help Desk on the sidebars of any of the Monaco skins.-- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:26 AM PST 13 Nov 2009
I think all Monaco-XY skins are the same in how they are built, they just differ in the colours. I cannot use Monaco as some navigation-features (f. e. to the settings) require JS to be enabled (for the dropdown) which is disabled because I cannot Select, Copy & Paste otherwise (which is a onehundred percent nogo for serial edits like I do) - Chris 12:33, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm... why can't you Select/Copy/Paste with JS enabled? That seems strange. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:56 PM PST 13 Nov 2009
One point of Wikia-Gracenote-Agreement is to put a script on the pages to protect lyrics from being selected to be copied. I blocked the script because I very often have to copy parts of lyricspages, f. e. some template stuff, parameters or even the complete page to feed it into my LWS Lyric-Translator.
Unfortunately the script cannot be disabled without affecting the others, so I had to block JScripts for lyrics.wikia.com in general and then again allow several ones that don't hinder me from C&P. This still makes some things a lot harder, e. g. the extended watchlist isn't collapsing edits anymore or the toolbar above the edit-areas doesn't show up now. But compared to always typing every template in an external editor just to be able to copy it, it's far less annoying that way. - Chris 20:21, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
Ahh, I see. I don't know what browser you use as your primary, but you could use a different browser just for Monaco previewing. Since Monaco is default (assuming you don't change it), templates and such should probably be tested with it. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:57 PM PST 13 Nov 2009

[edit] Red link below edit area

Every time I edit, I see a red Wikia:Licensing link in the sentence under the edit area:

All contributions to LyricWiki are considered to be released under the Copyright (see Wikia:Licensing for details).

It looks like it is related to the "w:" problem. It should probably link to wikia:Wikia:Licensing? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:36 AM PST 14 Nov 2009

I believe you're right. Thanks for bringing our attention to this. It is something we had noticed but sometimes it takes someone to say something for it to get fixed.  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 07:47, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 15:49, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Crediting - Lyricist vs. Performer

I noticed that most of the songs lyrics here credit performers and not lyricists (aka who actually wrote the words). Why is that? It seems like lyrics are the work of the lyricist or at least the songwriter(s) and not the performer. As good as Frank Sinatra is, he shouldn't get credit for the lyrics of all the songs he performed.

This is not a specific criticism of LyricWiki. Likely alot of this problem was perpetuated by scraping of bots from other sites that got it wrong. I'm just wondering if there is any plan to change this? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:44 AM PST 14 Nov 2009

Most (if not all)credits were added by an actual person. (I don't recall a bot working on credits at any rate.) In the Help section for Credits, adding the lyricist is mentioned. As with all things human, however, errors and omissions can happen. Often, if the lyricist is unknown (as with a group such as The Black Eyed Peas, who credit their songs to all members involved and don't differentiate who wrote what), or is the same as the composer, than just a "Written by:" line is used. Adding credits is really an individual, human job, requiring the research of music fans, so I'm not sure what can be done globally.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:33, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
I am not personally aware of any credits, either on the Frank Sinatra pages or any others, that would seem to be wrong. So can you provide an example please Fandyllic?  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 07:43, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category:One-Hit Wonders

Copied by Redxx from Cubs Fan2007's talk page:

Great stuff...I like it!  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 11:59, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Cubs, can I ask where you are getting your info from? Because I would disagree that most of the artists in that category are one hit wonders known primarily for one song. I think of "one hit wonders" as those novelty type songs (usually with a stupid dance associated with them, i.e. Birdy Song, Ketchup Song, etc.), not credible artists such as are included in that category. Maybe Rainbow has had only one top 40 hit (in the US) but a lot of artists choose not to aim for the singles market of course. Many of these artists have had loads of top ten hits in the UK, e.g. The Quo, David Essex, T.Rex, etc. etc. They were all extremely successful. I really don't think these artists deserve to be deemed "one hit wonders". To my mind it's somewhat of a derogatory term. What say you?  ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 13:28, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I can agree about chart success elsewhere, but I got the most strictest definition from Wikipedia. An author named Wayne Jancik wrote a book called The Billboard Book of One-Hit Wonders, in which he defines a OHW as an act that has won a position in the American Top 40 just once. So artists like Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin are included, based solely on their performance in the Top 40, despite success on other genre-specific charts or in other countries. And I'm also more familiar with the phrase in terms of artists known for just a single song. So for some leniency, I defined the category as artists who have had just the one Top 40 hit or are known for just a single song. Maybe there's something the community can come to a consensus about? --Cubs Fan (Talk to me) 13:48, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the "just one hit on the Top 40" definition -- but "known for just a single song" seems a little too subjective and may cause arguments down the line ("Well, I know them for more than one song! Doesn't everybody?"). I wonder if perhaps the category name should be, specifically, "U.S. One-Hit Wonders" to clarify the situation, for the reason Redxx mentions, that many artists who were one-hit wonders in the U.S. had multiple hits elsewhere in the world.
I think it should also be noted that using "Top 40" for this category doesn't match this site's definition of a "hit" -- i.e., the "B-Hits" badge only covers songs that made the Top 20. (I'd actually be in favor of expanding "B-Hits" to cover the Top 40, or even the full Hot 100, but that's probably a completely different discussion.) Trainman 02:24, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
I'd have to say we should probably stick to the more stringent "One hit in the American Top 40" definition. It has better boundaries. As for the B-Hits badge, I've always thought that we could (should?) get a little more specific with that (and I think that Top 40 would, indeed, be a better grouping). Where did it rank, for instance, and when did it (first) hit that level? I think we had a talk about it at one time, but I don't remember what ever came of it.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
The B-Hits is also only for US too of course. I've always thought it should include the UK (since this info is widely available) and indeed other countries too (where this is known). ♫♫Яєdxx ♪♫♪♫♪ Actions Words 14:21, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
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