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Removing Gracenote and LyricFind namespaces (merging to main namespace). LW:GNLF

Automatic language selection on main page Edit

Yatalu from Wikia Language Brigade wiki showed me a pretty cool system that we could use to have the home-page customize itself to the user's actual language automatically.

The Wikia site automatically detects a user's local language and customizes the menu bars, etc. to match that... but this system would let us have the main-page do the same thing automatically (and also allow overriding by clicking the flag-links, of course).

The trick is to store the text of the page in MediaWiki messages then transclude them to where the text would have been otherwise. The drawback is that this makes the actual text hard to find for newer users, but for our mainpage, that's already the case since we have the texts spread out on multiple language pages. Therefore, I don't think there's really any overhead for us to switch to that method. Here's an example of how it works:

How's that sound?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 00:18, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's nice, and the mainpage shouldn't be edited by freshmen anyways. I can try to edit the main page.
Come to think of it, this system would also work on our templates, wouldn't it? That means step by step we could possibly localize the whole page! I feel we should start with the smaller step (mainpage) though. Hihi - Chris 07:55, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Can we finish LW:GNLF in ~1 month? Edit

Hey, all! I've been tracking the merge and helping out where needed and I think the end is in sight. It has gotten faster/slower based on people jumping in and taking huge chunks of the merge and sometimes when we run out of big groups of pages that someone figured out how to do easily.

I don't know of anything specific holding the merge back at the moment, so it might be a straightforward slog to the finish. We have ~143,000 pages left. If we do 4080 pages/day, this merge could be done by Thanksgiving! Having no annoying duplicate-ridden namespaces would certainly give me something to be thankful for!

Do you (plural) think it's realistic to be done by November 27th? Bots are taking some of the work. I'll jump in when I get a chance to help push it along, but I think we could do it. It goes pretty fast once you embrace that the source pages are useless most of the time.

This limbo has gone on too long... let's clean this up once and for all!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:00, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

More like 175,000 pages – ~122,000 in LF (that's what Special:WantedCategories tells me) and ~53,000 in GN. 00101010 is currently moving all LF lyrics for which an artist page exists into ns0; next step is trying to locate (or create) as many artist pages for the rest (and for the remaining GN) as possible. Got a nice list from Senv a while ago that will be a huge help with that… — 6×9 (Talk) 21:11, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
Coolbeans. It seems to be humming along. Your bot(s) are making good progress. I think we can make this happen.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:23, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

We must have run out of easy-wins because we dropped 50k pages in 2 weeks, then we've only moved forward by 3k in the next 2 weeks. We did what we could by Thanksgiving... while we didn't get there, most of the already-limited value from those namespaces is probably merged by now.

The manual part of this merge has been going on since June 1st... it's probably time to wrap it up (upstairs doesn't want this to go on indefinitely). I think the best next steps are probably:

  • Delete all remaining GN/LF pages
  • Go through all LW pages that have a {{mergefrom}}, from a GN or LF page and remove those {{mergefrom}}s.
  • Delete the GN/LF namespaces
  • Delete as much code as possible from the GN/LF namespaces
  • Delete any templates/categories that were related to GN/LF and serve no archival benefit.

I'd like to get started on this in the next day or two. Anyone see something I'm overlooking?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 16:44, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

You can get started on LF, but give me a couple more days for GN – currently moving a bunch of pages to ns0 thanks to another list Senv made for me.
If you need help with the first two tasks, let me know – I've scripts that just need one or two lines changed to handle them. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:05, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
Sounds great. I'll hold off on GN. For the first two items, I'd love to just unleash your bot if you're cool with that.
Thank you!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 17:13, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
Belated update: #1 and #2 finished at the end of last week; #5 is done too (unless I missed some template or category; if I did please let me know!) — 6×9 (Talk) 20:16, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
← outdenting -Sean Colombo (talk) 19:27, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

The merge has been done for a while now & the holiday code-freeze is over... is there any reason not to completely delete the namespaces & remove as much of the related code as possible?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 19:27, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

None that I can think of. I'm sure everyone will be glad when this is finally over and done with. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:48, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

I think any lyrics libraries should include these? Edit

c933103 (talk) 18:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

I don't. --Senvaikis (talk) 07:07, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
Hi C933103, welcome to the wiki!
What is your question exactly? If you want to add them, add them.
I suggest you ask Umbreon126for some pointers, because apparenty vocaloid causes all sorts of weird things.
Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 06:59, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
Is it that I can just copy the format of existing pages for a new page? For example, to create a page for the song "Sing ALl Overtures" sung by Yoshitsugu Matsuoka (Kirito/Kazuto), Haruka Tomatsu (Asuna), Ayana Taketatsu (Suguha/Leafa), Kanae Itō (Yui), Rina Hidaka (Silica), and Ayahi Takagaki (Lisbeth), I just need to go to [[キリト (松岡禎丞), アスナ (戸松遥), リーファ (竹達彩奈), ユイ (伊藤かな恵), シリカ (日高里菜), リズベット (高垣彩陽) (Kirito (Yoshitsugu Matsuoka), Asuna (Haruka Tomatsu), Leafa (Ayana Taketatsu), Yui (Kanae Itō), Silica (Rina Hidaka), Lisbeth (Ayahi Takagaki)): Sing All Overtures]] and insert the song template, lyrics, and the songfooter template there? but apparently it is not allowed? c933103 (talk) 12:53, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Preview problems Edit

Hiyall, thought I'd add this issue here, instead of on Senvaikis' user page.

Since a while, something has changed on the wiki. Most of the discussion is here.

The preview option in songs is not working in songs that have a lyrics tag (no problems on a redirect page). You have to press Leave Page twice now to get out without losing your work.

I also noticed the "Photos" thumbnails in the sidebar of a song page are not displaying properly. I seem to remember this was reported also by someone else somewhere earlier.

And finally, I am an avid user of MLyrics and - again - it is not displaying any Lyricwikia lyrics (see an earlier discussion on this page, "LW lyrics no longer displayed in Songbird / Nightingale"). (Why is no one using this fantastic tool? It does google translate and everything, saves the lyrics in the file, it is the swiss army knife of lyrics display tools! But I am digressing)

This all happened around the same time that those hideously large adverts appeared for the first time.

Hope this will be fixed, cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 07:23, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Let's hope, - see Seans msg at the bottom of mentioned discussion :), --Senvaikis (talk) 06:39, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Sean, and thank you Senvaikis for the info! :) --MarjonW (talk) 06:53, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you all for this info that couldn't be more useful for me. As a new user on LyricWikia, of course I thought the problem was me! I kept posting without being able to preview for a while (I used Chrome). Special thanks to Senvaikis for correcting my edits. I can only promise you that I'll do my best to post properly from now on... although I'm still struggling to find out how to create my own sandbox and how to post messages at different places. *blush* Can you believe that I'm a very active user on many other platforms? :) --Jbfan132 (talk) 13:21, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

I can help with sandbox, you just write proper address, for eg. "" and that's whole philosophy. :) You can add things in your sandbox by "". I hope I've helped. :) Ozpl (talk) 14:29, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Ozpl. :) --Jbfan132 (talk) 02:24, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate profilesEdit

don't know the correct, but i guess is Opus Däi. site: 21:24, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

All fixed! - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 08:59, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal for customized badge system Edit

I've been thinking of creating a set of customized badges for the wiki. For example, someone who contributed every day for 365 days could receive an Elvis Presley badge, "The King of Rock and Roll." And someone who made 500 edits to articles could get the Michael Jackson badge - "Thriller." They could even be themed, like a different version of Jackson for each of the different article number milestones. Those are just a couple of ideas. If this sounds like a good idea to people, then let me know. Also, of course, assuming it's okay with the admins, though I've already had one admin's okay. And if anyone has any ideas for badge titles or images, I'd welcome those as well. ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:15, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Youtube links: what to do with denied links?Edit

Hi all. There is an issue with quite a few Youtube links that have been published so far. Senvaikis found out that some half of them are denied in 1 country or even more. To be more precise: if you'd count out DE (Germany?) it would be just a minor 1 per cent. If more countries deny a link it's most of the times not more than 5 countries.

What to do with this issue? So we've arrived at a time to make a 'decision' on the denied-links. I'd say that DE should not be taken seriously as far as it goes for this subject. My suggestion to you is: let's set a limit to 5 denyals. If a link exceeds that number it shouldn't be published.

Please feel free to put in your opinion on this, guys/girls. --Markcoutinho (talk) 11:26, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

For those who aren't regular visitors of my talk page, where this question has been discussed:, - here's a chart, which may be useful for your decision. --Senvaikis (talk) 13:19, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
I completely agree with you: just ignore Germany-denied links. The GEMA Wikipedia16 is just nuts, see the own Wiki article here Wikipedia16 about the problem. I think a limit like 5 denies sounds reasonable. The widget on the right side of the song pages tries to find sources on YouTube or other music sources, even if no video is embedded. So it's not a big deal. I would like it if you both could ensure that there are no dead YT links embedded anywhere :) Thanks for your work!
Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 13:47, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
I'll approach from an oblique angle ;)
If the point of ytvids is a means of listening to the song, then I think there is a much lower maintenance alternative available via spotify, and User:Senvaikis recently populated most of the pages on site with spotify links (Artist/Album & Song pages), and I hope he will in due course make available a chart of any restrictions/failures/404s associated with that +1.5Mil insertion activity.
But then there are songs whose only reference and proof of existence is on youtube and pretty much no other place like (mb/dg/am/asin/iT/rn/sc/etc.) and for those we pretty much have no choice but to provide a yt link.
ES (talk) 14:00, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
Well, sometimes the video is part of the art and I'd like to watch the video, this goes for classic songs (pretty much the gold rated ones here), so I prefer to see the official music video above the No1, WP, banners etc. So yes, for me at least it is about the video, while I like to listen to songs via Spotify or other sources (SoundCloud, another topic). The spotify link insertion is really nice, of course! I took it for granted and never said thanks :) A small request Senvaikis: Could you rerun the spotify bot for Rammstein? Their archive was only recently made available there :)
--Fassbrause (talk) 14:35, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
@FB:Completed--Senvaikis (talk) 15:30, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
I'd agree with SE and ask you not to hasten removing geo-restricted YTs, based on some simple "arithmetic" criteria. :Let's take the same stats, but "looking from particular user's point of view". So, if you decide to make the boundary=5, then 1276 YTs should be removed. But wait - 503 of them were available for Senvaikis (LT), 510 - for Markcoutinho (NL) and so on. Why should I or Mark loose all advantages of direct yt link or even video on the page just because this video was blaclisted in some countries, terrorised by Gema or its followers (or just by mistake or for fun). Here's the best illustration of the situation: does geo-restriction "make a big difference" for you, viewing a video, denied in... Antarctica (AQ) only? :)
And one more note: even restricted yt may be more usefull compared to nothing - it may lead you to other, less-or-even-not-restricted video.
So, even if you decide to "draw" some strict arithmetic boundary for allowable geo-restriction level, I'd vote for a higher its value (20-30). Actually that's not an arithmetic task, thus hardly may be solved arithmetically. Otherwise this task could be easily solved by Lwt (as has been done already with "forbidden", "unembeddable" and "not found" YTs)
@ES:You may take a look at brief Spot/Album marketplace restriction stats here: Excel file & chart
--Senvaikis (talk) 18:43, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
The issue of who can access what song in which country is really controlled by the right holders of the music, and not by utube or spotify etc. So no matter what we do, some spotify and utube links are going to be legally denied for some users some of the time (I recently came across an album on spotify, some of it's tracks unavailable to users in Canada).
So instead of inserting utube links in pages...something similar to the Song Footer search lookup widgets could be clicked that will take user to youtube with a hit list. IS that too outlandish? Certainly having spotify links in pages is a great idea, and in a few month or a year even, we can analyse and see how many of the links have expired, a la utube. I don't see anybody hankering for chasing after spotify links just yet.... ES (talk) 10:23, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


A spotify parameter has been added to the {{SongFooter}} template. If the parameter is left empty, search links are shown. Lwt is currently moving all previously added spotify IDs to sf.spotify; until that is done, don't be surprised if you both song links and search links on a page… Once Lwt is done with song pages, {{AlbumFooter}} and {{ArtistFooter}} will follow. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:45, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Semi-related, I noticed Help:Page ranking/Songs#Gold has been updated to list Spotify as a required (where available) parameter. Does this mean those who don't have, or don't want, an account there can't rank a song Gold any longer? - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 17:59, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
Bad/lazy wording on my part; the actual idea was to require at least one, not both. Updated H:PR accordingly. Of course that still leaves those pages where goear is n/a, they'll need to have spotify checked to advance to Gold. The whole thing is both too restrictive (only yt for video, only 2 at least more than just goear now sources for audio) and too lax (too many videos with just still image of album cover or stuff). We might as well set audio=done if yt of studio version is available, and maybe only allow video=done if it's an *actual* video… but who's going to check that? — 6×9 (Talk) 18:11, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for clarification! Spotify checking is OK - Senvaikis did a great job of adding so many links, and they show title/artist without logging in, so can be at least checked. Agreed, I always thought Youtube funny to add when it's often just album picture/lyrics videos available... - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 12:38, December 20, 2014 (UTC)


After a "test run" with {{Parody}}, I have now updated {{Covered}} to use the full song pagename instead of just artist. Advantages:

  • No extra parameters required if song titles differ or if song's artist prefix differs from artist pagename
  • For song collaborations it now links to (up to four) separate artists
  • Display text is fetched from Song.alias and, so it actually shows "#1 With a Bullet" instead of "Number 1 With A Bullet"

Also, {{Cover2}} has now finally been merged into {{Covered}}.
Next up: {{Cover}} (when I find the time)… — 6×9 (Talk) 13:34, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thx, 6! May we expect Artist/Album/Song Info to be the next your "dpl-target"? That'd be the real revolution in lw pageranking... --Senvaikis (talk) 17:30, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
I'll get to that eventually, but it will make tl:Song look simple by comparison… Complete automation won't be possible anyway – you can detect "done", but not "not applicable" (with few exceptions like sf.language). — 6×9 (Talk) 18:05, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

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