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Vocaloid and UTAU and such Edit

User:EchoSierra brought to my attention here that things could get confusing quickly with Vocaloid and UTAU artist pages around. (Vocaloid and UTAU are voice synthesizers. Vocaloid is commercial, UTAU is free software so there are literally infinite amount of voices/singers/voicebanks/whatever out there. No one knows exactly how many, but over 300 for sure...)Currently they're listed by "singer" in my category for them here. But apparently things can get weird, so maybe it would be better to list them as [[(Insert Producer Here):Song (feat. (Insert Vocaloid(s) Here)]]? Using 初音ミク (Miku Hatsune):Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya! as an example, maybe something like [[daniwell-P:Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya! (feat. 初音ミク)]] or something? And maybe the producer page can be sorted or something, I dunno. Definitely the producers have webpages and Twitter, that's solved. But then, most YouTube videos are reprints...

And because you can make any Vocaloid or UTAU cover any song, obviously Template:Covered and artist pages would get messy quickly. (Especially with UTAU... Imagine a song page with a covers list spanning the entire page...) And then, there are duets, and pairings and such someone put in a song, etc. So, what should be done? --ʃu126 02:58, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Anyone? ^^;; --ʃu126
I guess most of us are out of our depth here -- I know I am :-) But I agree that having the producer (who does the actual work) as artist makes a lot more sense. Note that adding "(feat. XXX)" to the pagename is not permitted by LW:PN, but you can use the "fa=" parameter in {{Song}}, or we could create a {{VoiceSynth}} template which could take care of the categorising.
You could check which members of LW:Japan are still (somewhat) active and point them here, but I can't promise any of them are still around :-/ — 6×9 (Talk) 06:56, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
I left messages on the ones who have activity from at least February 2013. Waiting for a reply --[u126] 02:38, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Here's some example files sitting on my computer: "【初音ミク】celluloid.mp3" by "baker feat. Hatsune Miku"; "【アコギ】ニコニコメドレ2.mp3" (アコギ, Akogi, Acoustic Guitar) by "Heppoko Rokugen Tsukai". For trio there's "【初音ミク、鏡音リン、鏡音レン】静かな湖畔 LIVE in 沖縄" (Shizuka na Kohan) without attributed artists (I should update these files). And then you have "Love is War - Miku,Kaito,Len,Rin,Gumi,Mikuo,Gakupo,Luka" for octets. I'd class the Vocaloids as more of an "instrument", much like "akogi" because I think that attributing Vocaloids as artist (prefix) is like attributing Pianos, Drums and Guitars as artists. Therefore, I also agree that producer should be used as artist. ..... As for covers list, how about "This song has been covered by Vocaloid/UTAU. For full list, see [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}/List_of_covers_using_Vocaloid_or_UTAU]]" on the covered song page? —BryghtShadow 03:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea :) But or producers with more than one name, like cosMo/BouSou-P and mothy/Akuno-P it should probably go under the name 初音ミク Wiki goes under? But then what should it be if it's different people tuning and writing the lyrics? Should it be [[{{LYRICIST}}:{{SONGTITLE}}]] or [[{{LYRICIST's TUNER}}:{{SONGTITLE}}]] And then for people that cover it with different lyrics?
I made a quick mockup of what I imagine here: User:Umbreon126/sandbox-vocaloidutau
Why does this have to be so complicated! --[u126] 22:21, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Going with names that hmiku uses is probably a good idea. For tuner vs lyricist, I can't decide, but I'm leaning more towards tuner (composer or arranger?) for the original Vocaloid or UTAU song. As an example, the album Re:package by livetune. Looking at the song over16bit!, lyrics by "かじゅきP"(kajukiP) and "yae". but on the livetune blog entry, it's listed as "03.over16bit! (kajyuki)" (kajukiP was a member of livetune). So, we'd either use [[Livetune:Over16bit!]] or [[かじゅきP (kajukiP):Over16bit!]] I suppose? Another example is Stella > Rin(ぎん), which has lyrics by 良聖 and compose+arrange by Rin(ぎん). But then there's 鏡音レンの消失 > 妹P, which has lyrics by 妹P but compose+arrange by cosMo(暴走P) -- it's a parody of 初音ミクの消失 -DEAD END- by cosMo(暴走P).
While we're at it, for disambig tag what do we use? There's Fate (a Danish heavy metal band) and Fate (a Vocaloid song creator/maker/作り手). Do we just go with "Fate (JP)" (and assume/hope that Voicaloid artist names don't clash with JP artist names)? —BryghtShadow 03:04, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


Maybe [[Fate (Vocaloid)]] for the disambiguation? unless there's a country planning to rename itselfI'm thinking more of lyricist for page titles because songs typically don't have a huge amount of lyricists (and I can't imagine such an idea going well) (for example Mr. Music, with 7 tuners, 3 lyricists, and 2 songwriters), or maybe even both lyricist and tuners. Maybe something like [[Kajuki-P and yae:Over16bit!]] or [[Kajuki-P & yae:Over16bit!]] (& or and???)? And while on the topic of livetune, it seems hmiku doesn't have one page for livetune, so maybe there could be an artist page [[livetune]] that lists all the members? For parodies, maybe the person that revised everything and made the parody... --[u126] 23:28, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The issue here is that VY1 & VY2 are not artists, any more than EMS VCS 3 Wikipedia16 that Pink Floyd used was an artist. Please see Bplats Wikipedia16, creators of VY1 & VY2 etc. In a similar vein, Mac OS Wikipedia16 has many built in voices for text to speech conversion (Victoria, Bruce, etc.), but neither Bruce or Victoria or MacOS are artists.
However, behind all pieces of software and hardware, a human sits (maybe a technician on behalf of a studio, or an individual we can call an artist) who controls the hardware and software, supplies the lyrics/text (existing or original work).
Again to draw another analogy, cartoon characters like Sonic The Hedgehog or Rocky & Bullwinkle or Snowy White (+ seven dwarfs) are not artists. Behind all of these ficticious characters sits one or more humans who bring the characters to life.
Seems like the best way to represent VY1 & VY2 is by albums, with the artist of each song being an entity that certainly is not VY1 VY2 or any future incarnations / combinations of hardware & software.
Additionally, neither VY1 nor VY2 has any external references of any sort declared, because none exists. --ES (talk) 02:58, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
"Seems like the best way to represent VY1 & VY2 is by albums, with the artist of each song being an entity that certainly is not VY1 VY2 or any future incarnations / combinations of hardware & software." If you mean that songs should be listed as [[{{artist(not VY1 or VY2)}}:SongTitle}}]], that's what we're talking about above, debating how it should be set out. I certainly agree that VY1 and VY2 are not exactly entirely artists, but when I first stumbled across this Wiki, I found the Hatsune Miku page, then 鏡音リン・レン (Rin & Len Kagamine) and assumed that was how it was set out, because it was there xP
Obviously now that is not correct, and it's a complex issue, and I think it would be nice to have some admin input of some sort on how it should all be solved.
Also, VY1 at Vocaloid Wiki and VY2 at Vocaloid Wiki. --[u126] 22:24, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
There is a reason why we have ArtistFooeter external refrences: If we follow the mb link at Hatsune Miku, and inspect the albums attributed, it will become clear that Hastsune is not an artist, rather a featured piece of equipment by artists as listed at 初音ミク@mb. At Hatsune Miku Wikipedia16 we learn it's a piece of software, and that 1000s of songs have been written for it (by artists, I imagine). Also see Miku Hatsune@discogs
I'd be the first to admit we have bad examples all over the site, Sonic The Hedgehog artist page is another one I mentioned earlier, songs with misattribution of artist to Musicals/TV shows/Movies/Disney/Cartoon charcters are other examples. If you read the VY1 & VY2 wikis you refrenced, maybe the fog of marketing complexity will disappear ;) --ES (talk) 23:51, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
I understand that they're not artists, if that's what you mean. (I just made the pages in the past because of the existing pages, and the assumption of "OK, this is how it goes I guess".) I love MusicBrainz's tag "bogus artist" --[u126] 01:48, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Two different artists with same name Edit

Hey! I would like to make a page for the Japanese band Raphael. Unfortunatly there already exists a Spanish artist with the same name ( Raphael ). So, how should this be solved? I know that solves it by letting both artist share the page. Is that how it is solved here as well? It might get kind of confusing though.. --XeonpZycho (talk) 10:08, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

See LW:PN. See also relevant discussion: User talk:6 times 9#Foggy Skies at Amazon. Hope that helps. —BryghtShadow 03:27, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
Great! I thought I looked everywhere before posting, but it seems I missed that one! Thanks! I already got help by EchoSierra who set up the new artist page, so I'm rockin' it now!--XeonpZycho (talk) 07:34, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Is there an easy way to move a whole bunch of songs off onto another artist page? I've noticed that on Sia's page there are a bunch of songs under 'Other Songs' with spanish titles that belong to someone else who apparently goes by Sia as well.. but I can't really find any information about this "spanish Sia" --ManChicken (talk) 07:16, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Tags for songs! Edit

Let's add tags for song based on, for example, meaning, theme of lyrics (I guess, it will be main way of using, but there is also could be more reasons.) For instrumentals — some kind of description, mood … whatever. Probably, it's like it was done on LastFm. Please note, that it's not only methodical, it's technical question firstly. Трамвай Ядерный (talk) 09:16, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to Change Policy for Root PagesEdit

There's a whole lot of lyrics in the world that cannot simply be listed under PERFORMER:NAME OF SONG. These songs are often in the public domain, but this is an issue with many other song types, too. Currently, not being allowed to list songs in other ways (such as by lyricist or composer) on LW is a problem. Many contributors would like to create root pages for these songs, but if they look up the current LW:PN they cannot find any help about how to handle these specific songs or works of music. This leads to a huge mess in naming pages, listing songs, and referring to original works. It also makes it quite hard to find original versions of widely covered songs. This is especially true for musical plays.

This is why we consider it necessary to agree on a slightly expanded LW:PN and establish a system of root pages, that enables us to properly refer to original works. Changes would have to be documented in the LW:PN as well as in the help pages.

We now present our proposal how this could be done with only minimal adaptation of template behaviour, and we would like to discuss this with the LW community. Our goal is to finally set up a road map and set the changes into motion.

Please note that we would like to discuss the issue exclusively on the talk page of our proposal.

Arwen4CJ Talk      Lichtweber       talk    service   20:46, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Licensing restrictions are relaxing Edit

Moved to LyricWiki_talk:GNLF widget Edit

Wikia has decided to partner with to build a widget into each page which will stream the songs, free & legal. Just thought I'd give you the background-info before it shows up :)
Once it's up, we should probably decide whether it's redundant with the youtube embeds or not.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:24, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Discogs artist linksEdit

Looks like finally decided to switch to IDs for artists as well. Thankfully they did it in a way that no change to the template is necessary, and the old links still work (e.g. now redirects to, though who knows for how long… I've updated template documentation and artist help page. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:30, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

LW lyrics no longer displayed in Songbird / Nightingale Edit

Hey everyone,

Since a couple of weeks, I can no longer see the lyricwiki lyrics in Nightingale ( and in Songbird ( I can still see the lyrics of other lyrics sites. Before, I couldn't see the Gracenote songs and the instrumentals but I could see all the other LW lyrics.

Does anyone else have this problem? Could this perhaps have some something to do with the upcoming merge between Gracenote and other pages?

Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 06:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

I can't think of a way that the merge would affect a third-party app (but it could). Have you asked the devs of Nightingale/Songbird to look into it?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:40, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
No - thought I'd ask here first. Will run some tests in the weekend first - I tested this a while back already.
Is there an overview on the wiki of all music players/lyric plugins that Lyricwiki lyrics can be displayed or retrieved with? If not, I think such an overview could be handy.
I think I came across list of music players or API list or something a while back, but cannot find it anymore.
Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 07:55, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't just me: Bob Maple reported this 3 months ago on I went from Nightingale 1.12 + Mlyrics 1.3.4 to Nightingale 1.12.1 + Mlyrics 1.3.5 and all is well again.
Apparently, LyricWiki changed the html structure.
Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 18:50, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal for an upgrade for Template:Youtube embed Edit

Hello everybody! I've been working in a code that adds some new functions to the template Youtube embed, one of them is the possibility of place more than one video in any page. I made it thinking in the problem that many official videoclips haven't got the complete version of the lyrics, confusing when choosing a video for a song or verifying the lyrics. This new version not only allows space for a second video, but it labels each one automatically.

Let me explain how it works:

  1. Once a video code is placed, the template looks exactly than 'Youtube embed' like now. But when you place an second code, this second video is displayed and each video is labelled — the first is labelled as "Lyric video" 'the video corresponding to the shown version of the lyrics', the second is labelled as "Official video" 'the official videoclip'.
  2. A third video can be placed, but it hasn't got automatic label.
  3. Labels can be rewritten, using title or title1 for the first one, title2 for the second, title3 for the third.
  4. Using inverse=yes the second video is shown above the first one. This function is thought to be used with title parameters unused, showing first the "Official video" and later "Lyrics video". This function is demonstrative only, enabled for viewing and choosing how looks better.
  5. It keeps all the original functions: categorizing when there is no code written or is invalid. Note than 1= defines the "youtube" variable even if using inverse=yes.

Some new ideas for changing style include the title background, the order of the videos, placing a link in "Official video" title for corresponding lyrics, etc.

Well, you can try this template here in one of my test zones where is all ready and you've got all the resources to start testing there, included a more detailed documentation about the usage. Later, please tell me if you liked it, if you want to change whatever or if exist any error, and I'll go for it quickly as I can.

Helpfully, Remiaw (talk) 21:11, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the advantage of allowing 3 videos in one template would be, when you can as easily use 2 or 3 youtube embed templates instead? The title parameter is a good idea though; and I should probably fix the yt embed template so the second transclusion won't overwrite the id variable of the first… — 6×9 (Talk) 17:47, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
This is the case — titles are for labeling videos, that's right, it's for distinguish each one of the videos. This is something that one can't do with using "Youtube embed" tho or three times. And then is the case of the overwriting of the youtube value useful for the "Song Footer" template. I made this template counting with this — only the first video will establish the youtube value. Note that the first video is for the full version of the song, all this makes this new version compatible with the actual one, and then the value in "Song Footer" doesn't change or overwrites. All this with a third purpose — the mentioned value will be always for the full version. I can change any of all this functions, just only tell me what you wanna change. So try it safely, I tried it first and I guarantee you that it is failsafe. Also, I repeat, in the testcase I left all ready, included a <lyrics> tag and a Song Footer template, so everyone can test it. Likewise, thanks for leaving your reply! Remiaw (talk) 19:44, February 25, 2014 (UTC).
Nice work!
It would also be nice to be able to embed a youtube video with extra parameters start time and end time. These additional parameters have already been added by 6x9 for the youtube link - and added to the yt embed template for future use, it does not work yet.
There are concert videos on YouTube with multiple songs in it f.e., and it would be nice to be able to embed exactly the one song from start to finish. Here is an earlier discussion about this with more technical info. Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 08:15, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Good idea, Marjon! So good idea that I'm working on it. For now I only know how to link to an established beginning time, but not for an finishing time. I'm making some codes and I'm trying them in my Testcase No. 4 (you can also go there and try) but for now they aren't working. Thanks for the initiative! Remiaw (talk) 23:18, February 26, 2014 (UTC).
That sounds great! Will keep an eye on your project page :) --MarjonW (talk) 07:32, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Visual changes Edit

Howdy! Wikia's going to be updating the skin and doing some other visual tweaks. It appears that the new wordmark will say "LyricsWikia" since they're trying to get all of the sites consistent about being called "wikias" instead of "wikis" (since we had both forever and it was confusing).

In addition, they've been working on a new version of the mobile app for quite a while. It is going to have a different name than the site but will be skinned to match the site.

W-LyricaWikia mock R4 v2
Sean ColomboAdded by Sean Colombo
Click the thumbnail to see approximately what it should look like. The content team is going to hop on and try to make the changes as best they can, but they may need some help since our homepage has some advanced templates (for multiple languages, etc.).

Since it's just the main-page and color changes, this shouldn't affect our edits much, but it's good to be aware of ahead of time :)
-Sean Colombo (talk) 00:50, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

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