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Requesting documentation / policy / input on dealing with identically named artistsEdit

I must not be seeing it, is there a policy that explains the best practices for dealing with artists of the EXCAT same name? If there is none, How do I start one?

-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 17:18, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
There is: it's kinda hidden on the LW:PN page… which makes it a policy, I guess. Might not be a bad idea to add it to the FAQ though. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:22, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I will try to address issues that are not clear enough as described in the holy grail that 6x9 kindly referenced:

  1. When we have multiple artists with exact same name, the correct practice is to disambig the artist pages with (XX) but not the song and album pages within the Artist (XX), correct? see Natalia (Disambiguation). This practice breaks WhatLinksHere at artist pages without the tag, any other issues?
  2. We also have contrary examples where every song and album page is carrying the (XX) tag. Devil Doll (IT) & Devil Doll (US). So I am hoping for clarity so I can go ahead and bring all the differently tagged artist pages to order.
  • Are we going to continue with the country based 2 digit codes used so far? Having seen disambiguation of artists at amg/mb/discogs/amazon/iTunes (our Artist Footer External links) and the amazing array of dupe artist names, the (XX) country based scheme will fail.
  • So please take a peek at Category:Disambiguated, It is inconsistent and it is only going to grow. I think we need updated and consistent policy.

May I suggest that we use a scheme that uses Artist (XX) or Artist (##) format (like discogs does), BUT without any requirement that the code MUST matches country code or genre initials, then all of our disambiguated Artist pages can have a coherent format, i.e.from (AA) to (ZZ), or from (01) to (99).

Suggestions, ideas, improvements and cat food welcome ;)

-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 20:41, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
The bit where it says "as close as possible to the original name" implies that song pages should indeed be titled "Artist:Song", even when the artist page is "Artist (XX)" or "The Artist Band" or "Artist And His Dog"; you might remember lengthy and somewhat heated discussion we once had about this issue. There are many disambiguated artists where this rule is broken; those who vehemently favoured this strict interpretation of LW:PN weren't quite as vehement in enforcing it, or in bringing all older pages up to scratch…
WLH isn't an issue, if paramaters are filled in correctly: {{Song||Artist (XX)|alias=Artist|... What's more of an issue is that linking to albums (from {{Song}} and {{albumcover}}) becomes hideously annoying, since you need the albumartist parameter as well. The biggest issue is that PrefixIndex becomes useless for these artists, so there goes our one surefire method of rescuing pages from Oblivion (PI - blue links on artist page = forgotten songs).
@disambig strings: I'm not convinced there is a need for a uniform, failsafe format; or would it make certain automated tasks easier? You or Senv or Chris would have to tell me. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:09, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
As a test of sufficiently advanced wizardry, please give me guidance in disambiguateing Arsenal!
ATM, I am strictly concerned with artist pages and guidance for human editors and admins, not bots, but we should strive to come up with a solution that interacts unambiguously with {{Song}} and {{albumcover}}. So from the perspective of template wizards, what is the optimum path to take?
-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 20:44, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Brainstorm (Latvia) and Brainstorm (Latvian Band)
That does break LW:PN doesn't it? The exact namespace for a Non-Roman named artist is pretty clear NonRoman (Romanized), but with disambiguated pages, many valid possibilities are allowed.
-- ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ( ) 16:37, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

How to remove duplicated images? Edit

I would like to know if any user can delete more than one duplicate image for an artist album / single if was uploaded by him. In my case, I've mistaken uploading more than twice a cover for an album and I want to delete the duplicate ones.

Thanks.

NeilParsons (talk) 12:17, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Only admins can delete pages or files. You can use the {{Deletion}} template to flag them – just put something like {{Deletion|duplicate image}} on the page and it will be taken care of. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Cover of a song that Gracenote has been unable to license ? Edit

When someone covers a song that Gracenote has been unable to license, am I right to assume that we can't display the lyrics in that page too ? Example: Josh Groban covered Neil Diamond:Play Me in a special edition of his last album. Nothing prevents me from creating the page Josh Groban:Play Me. What do I do ? Do I put the Gracenote takedown template in the lyrics ?

Nalf (talk) 13:40, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Hello Nalf, no, you are allowed to go ahead and post the full lyrics. It'll be taken down if the copyright holder decides to. - Chris 23:48, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Other songs into albumsEdit

I've been searching for an answer to this for a while, but I honestly cannot find anything. Some popular artists have a lot of songs they have never released officially, so when people make pages for these songs they're automatically added to the "other songs" pile for that artist. In the case of Lana Del Rey, she has many songs that do not belong in any album, but are definitely by her (as confirmed by her, producers or music licencing sites). I've just fought away two fan-made albums being put on the page to get rid of the other songs section, but they aren't official albums, they have fake artwork and are absolutely not by Del Rey. So what should I do with the "other songs" section? The songs really don't have anywhere to go, I renamed the sections to "unreleased songs" and moved the covers/collaborations, but there are still ~70 songs in the "unreleased songs" area, and apparently it needs to be split down even more. Is there a site policy on how to handle these situations? Or any suggestions? I can't see any more viable ways to split the section up and apparently it needs to be done. Thanks. Haecandrome (talk) 01:07, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

No constructive suggestion for the "Other songs" problem, because actually songs that have never been release on an album are "Other songs" per definitionem, aren't they? But why is "Kill Kill" fake? It was an EP released as "Lizzy Grant:Kill Kill" according to Wikipedia Wikipedia16 - Chris 14:09, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
"Kill Kill" is real, and currently on the page. The state of the two EPs "Kill Kill" and "Lana Del Rey" are confusing - they were there, then removed, then put back by me, then removed by me, then put back by me. They were there at first because they exist, but were removed by someone (I forget who) for being "redundant" (they had no new tracks - strictly promotional releases). I later added them back in, because it was assumed the unreleased EP "No Kung Fu" was real (and thus complete EP discographies were necessary). It turned out "No Kung Fu" was fake so I removed it, the two other fake albums, AND the two real EPs because they were only there because of "No Kung Fu". But because my edits kept being reverted I put them back in. Personally I like them there - it makes the page more informative and interesting to look at - but yeah they've confused me. The two fake albums were "Live or Die" and "Die For Me" both of which I've removed and put deletion requests on their album pages.
Back to the "Other songs" conundrum then, is there anything to do? Right now there's a {{split}} tag in the Lana Del Rey talk page calling for the section to be split up, but if there's no way to do it, isn't the tag a bit... purposeless? And if yes, should it be removed? Thanks. Haecandrome (talk) 01:58, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about being a little late in discovering this discussion to put my two cents in. As a general rule of thumb -- not necessarily specific to Lana Del Rey -- I say that if any "Other Songs" have never appeared on an official release but there's some evidence tying them to that artist, then you've done all you can do in moving them from "Other Songs" to an "Unreleased Songs" section (I've used the section title "Live and Unreleased Songs" in the past).
Once the "Other Songs" section no longer exists, even if "Unreleased Songs" is huge, I say you're okay to remove the Split template from the talk page. Then we can all sit around and wait for those songs to actually be released. Trainman (talk) 22:31, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Deleting an Account Edit

I want to delete my profile and any reference to my log in name: Jenibopper. I can not find any info on how to do this. Please help.

Jenibopper

You can see information on this here: Closing an Account - the account is shared between the various wikia wikis. – Antt 19:00, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

(Redundant?) single pages Edit

Hello, I have a question about "single" pages. I understand that this is a lyrics wiki and not a discography wiki, so adding new pages for singles which feature only one song that is already on another released album is (probably?) redundant. But when exactly is it okay to create a page for a single? When the single features more songs than just the title song, songs that are not released on any album? Or also when the single features only one song which does not appear on any album? Thank you for replying. :-) Falandra (talk) 20:01, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Both are OK. Or, put differently, you can create a page for a single (or a compilation) if it helps to find a home for at least one song that would otherwise have to spend its days in the Other Songs section. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:08, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Automatic external links Edit

There is a group called Unreal. All link to the albums or to the songs are on external wikia Unreal (for exampale Не в этом мире (2008)). How do I make links refers to LW pages? --Evgmim (talk) 09:12, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the sysops turned "unreal" into an interwiki prefix (as happened several times before). Wish they'd warn us about this sort of stuff beforehand (or not do it in the first place...)
The only solution is to change all links (except for the artist page itself) to "Unreal (Artist):Song/Album". At least no song/album pages were created so far; that saves us a batch move. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:03, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm... There is another question about this group. When I edit Song page, how I must fill field Album in Template? ""...Song|???|Unreal|star=...""--Evgmim (talk) 08:21, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
You can use |albumartist=, like this. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:38, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
Everytime this happens, I get to think about CtS... - Chris 23:24, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Video Game Soundtracks Edit

Hi, I usually add video game songs/soundtracks when I'm here at LyricWiki, but the majority of all songs in an average video game soundtrack are instrumental, so I wonder if I should avoid adding the instrumental ones and only add those with lyrics? // WikiaPhoenix [talk] 17:26, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Please do add the instrumental ones! Just use the Instrumental template. Trainman (talk) 17:41, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for replying so fast! // WikiaPhoenix [talk] 10:45, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Remixes Edit

  1. Should remixes get their own page or be redirected to the original song? I'd assume that remixes are treated the same as covers, so it would get its own page.
  2. Who should be in the artist parameter, the original artist or the remix artist? What I mean is should this song be named Glaze:Heartmender (Aviators Remix) or Aviators:Heartmender (Aviators Remix)? I think it should be latter. -- Vocal Beat (talk) 20:01, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
  1. Yes, remixes should get their own page, since the lyrics are almost always different in some way from the original song. You may see a lot of remixes here already that are redirected to the original song's page, but that's basically just a placeholder.
  2. The original artist should be in the Artist parameter. It's still considered "their" song when it's a remix -- it's a different situation than a cover. (A remix uses portions of the original recording of a song, but a cover doesn't.) Trainman (talk) 21:23, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Artist naming Edit

Where do you have to put the name of a person/group who's collaborating on a track? For instance: Armin Van Buuren feat. Ray Wilson. Where should Ray Wilson be put?

Thanks for your help.

Mark Coutinho

Page name should be "Armin Van Buuren:Song Title". On the song page, you can add |fa=Ray Wilson to the {{Song}} template, on the artist/album page you can put {{ft|Ray Wilson}} behind the link. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:52, December 14, 2013 (UTC)


Artist naming - collaborations Edit

Hi,

what is the right way to add a collaboration between two musicians or bands into the wiki? E.g. I'm adding Rukkanor at the moment and he did some collaborative work with Cold Fusion, so one would be Cold Fusion & Rukkanor with the CD Silk Road.

Thanks! Neppomuk

You can create song, album and artist page(s) like you normally would – just replace the {{ArtistHeader}} template with a {{Collaboration}} template. See Category:Artist Collaborations for some examples. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:34, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hi 6x9,

OK, I thought there might be a way to show the release on both artists page in the natural list, not as a separate "collaboration" link. But then I continue as you described.

Thanks again, Neppomuk

Artist/Song naming - Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese Edit

For example, to retrieve the lyric of http://lyrics.wikia.com/陳奕迅_(Eason_Chan):傷信

The API call is http://lyrics.wikia.com/api.php?artist=陳奕迅_(Eason_Chan)&song=傷信 or http://lyrics.wikia.com/api.php?artist=陳奕迅&song=傷信

But using Simplified Chinese won't do http://lyrics.wikia.com/api.php?artist=陈奕迅&song=伤信

Do I need to make a Simplified Chinese version for every page, or is there a better way? Thank you. Cplanner (talk) 10:30, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

I have these two pages: 陈奕迅 (Eason Chan):兄妹 and 陈奕迅 (Eason Chan):绵绵
Why [1] works, while [2] fail? -- Cplanner (talk) 16:28, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
Probably because there's a redirect at 陈奕迅:兄妹, but not at 陈奕迅:绵绵. Both should work, because 陈奕迅 redirects to 陈奕迅 (Eason Chan) and therefore they should be handled by implied redirects, but those apparently still only handle ascii chars… (That bug is ancient, I thought it was fixed years ago.)
Not sure who's maintaining the API now, but you can ask Sean. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:24, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Should verses be labeled with who is singing? Edit

Particularly on hip hop songs, I often miss labeling as to who is singing (or rapping) each verse. Is there a policy as to whether lyrics on this site should include that kind of info? Snuslyrikk (talk) 14:11, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

See Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Songs#Lyrics, you can put the singer/rapper/speaker/oralnoiseemitter in bold above the lyrics section. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:27, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Snuslyrikk (talk) 10:44, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

What to do when not understanding parts of lyrics Edit

Hey, I'm new to working on lyric pages here. Most of the work I do is transcribing lyrics for songs made around 1910-1930 which means I often run into songs where parts of the lyrics are hard to figure out. After half an hour of searching I'm just gonna ask here.

I was wondering if anyone knew what the policy is for transcribing those parts into lyrics. Is there some kind of placeholder to put so that other people can come in later and fill in what's not there?

What am I supposed to put when I don't know what is being said in part of the song?

Question marks, underscores – doesn't really matter as long as it's clear they're placeholders. And you can put {{partial}} above the lyrics to flag them as incomplete. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:46, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Lyrics replaced by licensing message Edit

Hi,

I edited the page at A Perfect Circle:When The Levee Breaks to add an album + switch to bronze star, but after I saved the page, the lyrics disappeared and were replaced by a message about not being licensed to display these lyrics.

Before I edited the page, it did not display any message like this, and had the full lyrics for the song. Looking at the page history, the page was previously Gracenote protected, but was taken off the list in 2012. Did I do something wrong here?

Thanks, 123.2.83.220 13:49, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing you did wrong – looks like a bug with the new licensing system. Sean has been notified. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:36, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the reply! 123.2.83.220 04:31, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Artist with multiple correct spellings?Edit

What's the policy or procedure for an artist with multiple correct spellings? For example, in his earlier work, the artist name was spelled "Del Tha Funkee Homosapien" on the album covers, but was later changed to the spelling "Del The Funky Homosapien." Should all of the songs/albums be under a single name? Or should the albums/songs match the covers and link the two artist spellings somehow? --Zobatch (talk) 16:37, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

All songs and albums should be listed on one artist page. So which name do we go with? I went ahead and looked at all the external links for this artist, and all of them except for Discogs use "Del The Funky Homosapien." I would say that we should use "Del The Funky Homosapien," as well. I noticed that "Del The Funky Homosapien" redirects to "Del Tha Funkee Homosapien." The other admins and I can fix this.  :) --Arwen4CJ Talk 15:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)


Multiple vocalists singing alternating lines Edit

I understand that if one vocalist sings a verse, it should be noted in bold above the verse. But what is the standard when two or more vocalists sing in a single verse, alternating between who is singing each line?

For reference, me and OneTwoThreeFall have been debating on the All Time Low:A Love Like War page. Help is greatly appreciated. Patzilla777 (talk) 20:20, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Imho the whole noting vocalists within lyrics tags is not necessary at all, unless if not noted you wouldn't get the song at all. This is what the refs say too. (Just to be clear: It is not mandatory to note Vocalists!)      Lichtweber       talk    service   21:00, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
That is what I thought too, that it wasn't needed for most songs, however the help page isn't too clear. - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 21:14, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Censorship? Edit

E.g. at Three 6 Mafia:Bin Laden Weed it reads "f**k" while "fuck" is said/sung in the rap song. So why is it censored? Is there some rule to censor "bad words"? If so, which words are considered "bad"?
Also, if there is such a censorship rule, then it should be changed, 'cause censorship leads to several problems:

  • one can still guess that it means "fuck" in this case; in other cases one maybe can't guess what it's said/sung
  • one can't translate it with tools like google translator (this counts for non-native English speakers and for non-English texts)
  • "f**k" could be interepreted as it's "fuck" but with some pip sound over it. Thus "f**k" is misleading as no pip sound is used.

-Quark3021 (talk) 11:36, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

We have a rule about censoring: don't.
Some pages have censored lyrics anyway, usually for one of three reasons: (1) they were created like that, and no one fixed it above example falls in this category; (2) someone censored them, and no one noticed and reverted it; or (3) they are actually bleeped out in the song. In the last case, it's probably a good idea to make it clear, e.g. by using "f*BLEEP*ed" instead of "f**ked" or something. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:11, June 1, 2014 (UTC)
Hi Quark. We don't censor here at LW, so you may go ahead and fix those lyrics. An while you're at it, you can also remove notations like "(Chorus)" and vocalists names within the lyrics tags. Our policy states that "lyrics should always be transcribed as sung. That includes "bad words" and excludes information not being part of the actual lyrics. Happy editing      Lichtweber       talk    service   12:15, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Pages starting with 'Songs:' do not load? Edit

Do the pages listed here not load at all for anyone else, or is it just me? - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 11:55, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, a few of the album pages do seem to load, but none of the songs do. - OneTwoThreeFall ( T / C ) 12:05, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

They still don't work? ES brought this up a year ago; we decided to wait for a bit to see if the problem would go away by itself – and then utterly forgot about it… Guess it's high time to contact the Wikia staff. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:29, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Generate album code from musicbrainz Edit

Hi,

I wonder if there is a way to generate the code for an album from Musicbrainz, so that I would just have to copy paste the code here.

Thanks, — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obcd (talkcontribs), 08:56, 22 June 2014‎.

You can use Special:Wikify for that. Works for other sources as well! — 6×9 (Talk) 09:14, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! However, I don't get how it works for musicbrainz albums. Is there some kind of howto?User:obcd
A little wikify how-to
1. Insert artist, album, release year
2. Copy raw tracklist from musicbrainz page
3. Paste in "raw discography" field
4. check "musicbrainz" option
5. Hit "wikify"
Cheers      Lichtweber       talk    service   12:51, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
Please give more detail for step 2. What do you mean by the "raw tracklist"? Monxton (talk) 16:18, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

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